Neirdan Continues Case Against Steve Tom Sawyer

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First off, despite the title of this piece, I wanted to make it clear that I am not passing any judgement on Carbon Based Radio’s Steve Tom Sawyer, or his associate Robin Gething. I don’t know Steve personally, but Robin has always been a cool guy. I am simply giving a platform for my friend Adrien (@Neirdran) to lay out his case. The article he posted last night on ReviewLabs, has been deleted. You can find it posted at this link if you wish to read it as a primer.

I will say one more thing before we begin, and that is, no one is immune from criticism, and we need to be open with that criticism. I’m beginning to think that we have let too many things go unaddressed for too long. too much back-channel bickering, and not enough sunlight and openness.

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Neirdran has come across the video that some people in GamerGate have claimed proved that Mr. Sawyer was assaulted by SJWs and driven from his home, as he claimed. I’m about to show it to you, but before I do, I wanted to ask Neirdran how he came across the video. So, I did. Here’s his answer:

“I got contacted by a source that I won’t disclose. He doesn’t have a Twitter anymore.”

That was pretty brief and cryptic, and I’m sure we all have some ideas as to who that might be. I’ll just leave it there. Here’s the video in question. It does seem to be severely lacking. The only thing I see is a couple of women screaming at him to get out, with no context. One of them says “Steve, you’re scaring us.” Who knows what the situation is, really. We only see a very brief 20 second snippet.

I asked Neirdran what he thought about those who took the video as proof of an assault having taken place:

“Those who blindly accepted  “verification” on  Sawyer’s video are now saying that since I can’t verify some of the anon quotes in the previous piece, that they’re all lies. These are the actions of hypocrites, who only selectively apply their morality. Also, consider this: they highly hyped that video to get money.

My opinion of the video, is that it’s taken out of context, and from what I’ve gathered with former RevueLabs employees, his personal behavior might be what caused this conflagration in the first place. Trying to put it on “Anti-GamerGate” is basically like what the SJWs did with threats from sockpuppet Twitter accounts. Steve Tom Sawyer is our own Zoe Quinn, and if we are about ethics, we have to take care of it. The people who accepted this farce of a video, listened and believed without verifying. One of the main sources of verification, KingofPol, is not a credible source. He’s known for crafting lies. People should have been much more skeptical from the beginning, in my opinion.”

Part of Neirdan’s story last time, concerned the demise of Radio Nero, the program hosted by the wonderful Milo Yiannopoulos. As I’m sure most of you are aware, I’m a huge admirer of his work, and think he’s been a great asset to us, as evidenced by his story today. However, after the story yesterday, it became apparant that not everyone is a fan. Here is the co-host of Carbon Based Radio, and chief Sawyer defender, Robin Gething, with his thoughts on Milo (who also goes by the pseudonym Nero on Twitter, and is referred to by that here):

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Robin has been a friend in the past but calling Milo a”wimp” is crazy. He also goes on to say that he “was happy to know that we live in live in a much more tollerant [sic] world, where even an abject moral coward can be openly gay.” Then he downed Mr. Yiannopoulos further, because he only promoted Carbon Based Radio  once on his Twitter. Well, I only promoted it once myself. I didn’t realize that we all had to drop everything and help them with their crowd-sourcing project. Someone in the chat calls him out on it, but I will go ahead and do so as well.

I know these guys are mad about Milo allegedly calling Sawyer a “trainwreck” and a “personal liability,” but this type of smearing against our best advocate is not cool, Mr. Gething. We all have disagreements, as I’ve stated. But Milo has done nothing that I know of to warrant this, and has tried to stay out.

Neirdan had a comment as well, but these are his views only. My problems with Gething only extend to him trashing Milo.

“Milo did so much for GamerGate, smearing him like that to shill for his little radio stream shows how little that guy cares about GamerGate and how much he cares about getting audience, at all cost.”

I’ll finish by saying this: the reason I gave Neirdran this platform, and brought some of these issues to light, is so these issues could be discussed in an open way. Anyone is free to post a rebuttal in the #BasedCommentSection, or on Twitter.  I haven’t gotten in contact with every principal, but I hope they will add to this discussion below. I take no position on the Sawyer matter, although I don’t agree with badmouthing Milo, given all that he’s shown me over this GamerGate journey. And no matter where you fall, let’s agree that no one is above reproach. These types of discussions need to be had, when the need arises.

TheRalph

Founder, Owner, & Editor-in-Chief of TheRalphRetort.com. Political fiend, gamer, & anti-bullshit.

  • ninjaclown

    I am so sick of these backroom fights. I’ll admit I give Robin slightly more leniency because he has always tried to give everyone a chance to speak on his stream (including the KoP incident) incident, but really I want everyone to stop spilling their fucking spaghetti and get their collective acts together. This internet personality mudslinging as got to stop. I don’t want to hear more of this shit down the line from parties involved or some future incident with other e-celebs.

  • http://supernerdland.com Be Just & Fear Not

    Some heavy shit. Glad Neirdan was able to finally

    extrapolate on his evidence.

  • http://techraptor.net/ Lowestofthekeys

    There’s no reason for Robin to be butthurt that Nero wasn’t supporting their show.

    Edit. Also I’d like Steve to explain what he did with the $350 he received for advertising, unless the transaction never happened.

    • ragething

      dumping steve and john, not having the backbone to explain and then to not even give him some support for what he’s doing. Thats what im “buthurt” about. Why do you think I started the show with the guy? It was either that or get a full time job and pretty much stop doing the open houses. many people asked to donate to a patreon, we refused and decided to do an actual positive thing. apparently some people prefer to live on drama. perhaps you need to ask this french guy what he’s doing now? opening a new site and needing to get some attention, perhaps?

      • sdemedia

        Hey Robin, is this the full length of the video or has it been edited?

        • ragething

          that is it. as you can imagine, when someone has a phone stuck in their face, they can start to switch their behavior. that was all i saw. steve now has nothing to show a civil court, now.

          • sdemedia

            Thanks for verifying. BTW I like your open house streams.

          • ragething

            thanks. you can blame people like this for why it doesn’t continue.

      • http://techraptor.net/ Lowestofthekeys

        Its no ones obligation to help you guys, that’s part of running a business.

        • ragething

          an explanation was all steve wanted.

          • http://techraptor.net/ Lowestofthekeys

            Did you guys sign anything with him or was it verbal?

      • rudhvelyn

        Robin he hasn’t plugged anything

        • ragething

          except himself

  • The Papist

    Leaking the videos kinda not cool if it effects any law stuff, other than that the NERO hate isn’t cool. He has never claimed to be “one of us” when he came into this and everyone knew his “agenda”, since then we’ve honestly bonded a bit and he’s a really nice bloke.

    No ones expecting him to turn gg or chan for life but he’s done a hell of a lot for all of us and been a good sport about it, people need to leave their personal politics aside like adults and recognise the good people have done.

    Nero’s not everyones cup of tea, but he’s been pretty honest with us, a good sport, funny and most of all unrepentant. Which is why the chans and others have taken too him.

    Being yourself even if it upsets people will make you real friends.

    Also I’m a liberal northerner so by rights I’ve got more reason to hate him than all of you, but you know what I like the bastard.

  • Nick_Soapdish

    Remember ‘infighting’ isn’t a bad thing. Blind ignorance and accepting what people say with out any critical thinking is what’s wrong. Think about it, a LW could say, “all puppies need to die in a blender” and people like Chipman would shout, “yeah! fuck those puppies up!”.

    Watching everyone go insane with e-celeb has been kind of hilarious. Weaponizedtweets being a good recent example. It’s like their epeen gets bigger and so all the blood rushes there and clouds their thinking. “I’m somebody!” they’ll scream as the crazy van takes them away.

    Good on KOP though for apologizing like a man and opening his eyes http://twishort.com/spZgc Takes a level head to realize you’re wrong and guts to admit it.

    • Jon

      “Infighting” is a good thing…until it becomes petty and people start screaming “shill” at one another.

      Openness to debate within GamerGate is one of the reasons it flourishes (that, and its lack of centralized leadership), but screaming “shill” at every person in GamerGate who happens to have said something wrong-headed is not doing us any favours.

      • Greg Nieto

        That sounds like something a shill would say!

      • http://renegadepen.blogspot.co.uk/ Dm Gray

        Indeed.
        I think we can suffer from too many chefs (because everyone is the leader) but it is honesty not hard to ignore the white noise and reach the core of the matter in most circumstances.

        Not everyone is going to like each other.
        Not everyone is going to agree with each other.
        Nobody is perfect, and people will make mistakes, say hurtful things or even just publicly despise somebody for no gain 😛 (Ralph and Liana, right? :3 Their sniping helps nobody, but they should be free to do it, even if people step in to moderate. Not everything has to be on point. People are still people, and that is messy)

        We shouldn’t police this other than to remind people that the slap fights and shill calling are retarded. (and to end any harassment immediately, erring on the side of liberty)
        It is OKAY for people not to get on.
        That is the price of diversity.

    • Guest

      How about concentrating on the issues we’ve been fighting since the beginning instead of trying to inundate everyone in e-celeb drama instead?

      What purpose could it have to bring up how someone was purportedly saying something bad about someone else on some IRC channel, what is there to “discuss” about it and how does it help other than giving the vultures some meat to wet their beaks?

      http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2nm658/gamergategate_drama_robin_gethingrsol_goes_off_on/
      http://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/2nn2po/well_heres_the_video_showing_steve_tom_sawyer/
      I have my personal opinions about various people involved in GG, including the “crying guy”, but I can’t understand why all of you can’t handle this shit like adults and not try to drag everyone else in it too.

      • Nick_Soapdish

        Keep in mind the people in the drama (the ‘e-celebs’) are people who publicly put all this stuff out themselves. The rest of us are just watching and passing comment as they blurt out all their crap to the internet. It’s not like us regular folk are digging and bringing it up.

        Don’t blame us regular folks for watching/laughing/talking about their dramas. They’re the ones asking for money, releasing skype logs, DMs and saying “look at me”. They’re the ones who want to sort out issues in the court of public opinion instead of privately. Notice how Milo kept his mouth shut about the ‘gawker leak’ this latest drama, etc. despite knowing the score? Some people don’t know how to do that.

    • rudhvelyn

      Well Considering KOP went and acted much like he hasn’t opened his eyes at all on robin’s stream. I think the only thing hes figured out is how to apologize well

  • BlackBetty1970

    I’m gonna say this once.

    Do NOT put your business out in the public square. Aside from the fact that your enemies will use it against you, it’s just bad form. I’m all for transparency, but this is juvenile and should be handled privately.

    If someone is acting like a fuckstick, take them out back and beat the fuckstick out of them. It works in the military. Always take care of your business at the lowest level possible. Sometimes a swift kick to the jewels is all that’s necessary. I certainly don’t need to see a chopped up video full of screaming harpies.

    Jeezus Ralph, of the things going down on the twatterz right now, this caught your eye? Ugh. Make it go away.

  • Eagleeye595

    Milo was brought in to this by the very same people who wrote the first piece, before this follow up. So in my opinion they are as well responsible for any backlash that followed. And what was that video supposed to prove to me? all i saw was 2 angry aggressive women telling someone who i could barely hear to get out! They were inches away from getting violent. Feel free to fill me in on what i missed here that is considered undeniable proof, or paints said person as a Zoe or a wu material.

  • Topgeartony

    This won’t end well. I get wanting to out these people. But I want nothing to do with the infighting.

  • ZURATAMA1324

    Another #GamerGate in-fight!
    Round 1. [KingOfPol] vs [MundaneMatt, HotWheelz]
    Round 2. [Steven Tom Sawyer, Robin Gething] vs [Neirdan]

    Let’s hope that round 3 never happens.
    There is enough in-fights as is.

  • Syltique
  • urwormfood

    Neirdan started a campaign on Steve and has now dragged additional people into the mix? Smells like fish-bait to me. What exactly is Neirdan’s stake in the website and how was he shafted? (Ask yourself that 1st).. Is this about ethics, or someone who is disgruntled trying to paint someone for a target? Keep in mind the website was hijacked and the person who is at the center of this drama locked out. That right there is suspect of Neirdans motives to be investigated 1st.

    Is that the full confirmed video, or only a 20 second clip to fit Neirdans spinneret narrative of second, and sometimes third hand information of events? When dealing with crazy drunk girls, best thing he should have done was just leave and find the closest Denny’s for awhile. Also they were not SJW’s just his girlfriends friends/neighbors in the apartment complex who took it upon themselves to be dictators of who she should be in a relationship with. (My perception after reading through the tweet events as it was ongoing and also watching the stream).

    Keep propping Milo up as some savior and lord of the flies. While I can agree with him on some of his articles, I do not on others. So what.. someone called Milo a few names in a cut chat log of a conversation that is just a page. where is the full log of the conversation and context? I bet if you called Milo a asshole to his face he would wear it like a badge of honor and still have a drink with you. Calling him a “wimp” is laughable and tame.

    I watched a 4 hour long conversation on Robins Open house stream today where that Steve guy explained the whole deal with the website, the transition into the radio project and reasons why the Radio Nero concept was aborted. As far as Steve’s professionalism, and ability to run a website. He would get a D+ at best. Even he would agree with that grade as he cannot dedicate 100% of his time to deal with the backend stuff needed to manage people and be up to date with news and content. (Keep in mind Robin asked several times for folks to come on and voice their opinions on the stream yesterday and those who were complaining the most were chickenshits).

    Keep in mind #gamergate is just a hashtag in vapid cyberspace. There are folks who care and dedicate a bit of time to stay on target and others who just bullshit and look to stir drama to fight the boredom. There are no leaders, but there are several folks who do stand out as they are constantly posting a tweets. Easy targets for antiGG and also those who just do not care and enjoy trying to get arguments going for the laughs.

    If someone wants the opportunity to start a project and ask for donations. Always ask yourself WHO..WHAT..WHEN..WHERE..and WHY. at the end of the day it is a individual’s choice to donate to whatever project. I threw some bones to toys for tot’s and a sea lion for Cathulu’s sake.

    Do not listen and believe…verify as always and there are no leaders in GG. Lets put shit in space and please keep posting oppostlewds and sending e-mails.

    Happy evil black-friday!

  • Javier Vega

    After,looking at video I can clearly see these ladies were badly acting nether of their forehead wrinkles show they were upset with Steve.

  • Jess

    Ok, here goes.

    Having never previously seen the video, I only came to the conclusion it was legit based on the fact TheCameraLady had verified. Had I known Pol had also verified it however, I would’ve dropped it as a false flag immediately unless somebody could provide me concrete evidence to the contrary. (Having seen it now, it proves absolutely nothing).

    Later on I was skeptical however, based on the fact that I had to repeat myself to Sawyer several times about the urgency with which he should contact the police, pack his shit and leave. If you’ve been seriously assaulted and feel genuinely under threat you do not do your best Brianna Wu impression. I was similarly surprised to see him decline Cernovich’s offers of help, which of course sent alarm bells ringing.

    I was told off Twitter that actually this “assault” had come about as retribution for Sawyer himself being abusive, but as I had no way to certify that, I didn’t pursue the lead.

    Lizzy has given me no reason to doubt her in the past and her account coupled with Milo’s seems to corroborate other employee’s comments about his erratic behaviour. Also the fact that she threw in the towel very early on is a fair indicator that something isn’t right with Sawyer.

    I don’t speak to Robin much, but as far as Milo’s concerned he’s been nothing but a sterling ally in what for me would’ve been 3 months of intolerable and relatively unchallenged horseshit thrown at the gaming community without him. He is under no obligations to shill anything for anyone.

    And for those saying Neirdan has an agenda, bear in mind he was instrumental in bringing the Polytron financial data to Rogue’s attention.

    From now on, Sawyer is little more than another distraction to be avoided.

    • ragething

      “decline Cernovich’s offers of help”

      Not true. Cernovich didnt want to help. ben barber can confirm.

      • Jess

        Ok, so why would a solicitor who previously offered to help pro bono suddenly back out?

        There are 2 possibilities:
        The evidence was found wanting

        OR the story doesn’t add up in which case it’s indefensible and a loss of earnings as well as a professional embarassment.

        • http://TheRalphRetort.com/ TheRalphRetort.com

          Yes, those appear to be the two options to me as well.

          • ragething

            of course, to people who only think one way of the other.

  • Robot Panda

    Doesn’t the older asian woman tell the guy to get the fuck out because he’s a racist? That’s what I can make out from the audio at the very beginning – she’s chasing him out for racist talk. My two cents on this – I don’t see this alone as evidence for an assault – I’ve been chased out of places in a similar fashion for being inappropriate. It’s fine, it happens. Maybe in the whole context it’s evidence for some assault, but in my mind’s context – it’s not – since I’ve had this happen to me and it wasn’t any crime involved.

  • urwormfood

    Ralf, since this is the 2nd update part of a report. Can you disclose your “associate” Neirdan personal involvement and issues with Steve and his website.

    Disclosure of all parties involved would help all readers.

    Thanks.

  • ragething

    “I’ll finish by saying this: the reason I gave Neirdran this platform, and brought some of these issues to light”
    “I don’t know Steve personally”
    “[16:28:24] kotakusmosthated < ralph: i said steves a piece of shit. i think he is." your bias is well disguised.

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