WildGoose: In Response to Ashton Liu’s Farewell to #GamerGate Post

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Guest Editorial by WildGoose

Nicole Sund (@CultOfVivian) is an emotional manipulator who views her friends as collectible trading cards. It appears that Ashton Liu is no different.

Despite claiming to have been sapped of energy due to being so grief-stricken, Liu has come out of his state of grieving just long enough to take a swipe at The Ralph Retort and double down on defining his ex-lover’s life as a hashtag. The following screencap is from his recent “goodbye letter” on Reddit.

He claims that I’ve used his loss to attack people but–just like Nikki Sund–he refuses to elaborate on how exactly my article did that. It’s emotional manipulation and if you dare call these people out for grave-standing for the purpose of propagating a hashtag, CultOfVivian and her thirstlords will say that you’re “using his loss” and nothing you say is relevant because “muh suicide.” Nicole pushed this narrative out in order to earn herself another gold star in the friendship Olympics.

Liu states that the only privacy he expected was “in real life.” How exactly is plastering your dead girlfriend’s name all over the Twittersphere respecting the Feng family’s privacy? It’s not like your Twitter had mostly “in real life” friends on it, so one would assume that you wanted no attention on Lily’s death. At first I thought Oliver and Nikki were betraying your wishes, but clearly I was wrong. You really did give them explicit permission to use a dead girl’s name to promote a hashtag. I thought a little higher of you. Obviously, that’s my mistake.

Perhaps, the most glaring problem with Ash’s response is that he barely mentions Feng. In fact, he can’t go a single paragraph without saying the word “me” or otherwise referring to himself. He even spends one of the largest segments of the post talking about how much of a virtuous hero he is.

“I never bragged about these things, never paraded them around like achievements…” until it came time to show off to random people on the internet, am I right?

Ashton Liu claims The Ralph Retort’s aim was to drive him from the internet, which is absolutely false; but make no mistake, experiencing loss doesn’t give you a license to take verbal swipes at people without any sort of response (The name of this site should’ve been your first clue).

Ashton is saying that he’s leaving social media and discontinuing all posting to the GamerGate tag (Much like Oliver Campbell did), but mark my words, he’ll be back…

TheRalph

Founder, Owner, & Editor-in-Chief of TheRalphRetort.com. Political fiend, gamer, & anti-bullshit.

  • RolandDeschain1 .

    These people need to leave the internet in general.

    Christ, go on a holiday in a cargo ship for a few weeks. No internet. No phones. Deal with your emotional shit.

    It worked for me.

  • Grrr!

    What a narcissist. Hope he leaves and deals with his issues. Interesting how he wasn’t aware she was going to do it, you’d think if he was close he’d see them.

    • WildGoose

      If he had spent as much time with her as he does talking about and looking at himself in the mirror, she might still be around today.

      • Grrr!

        There ARE signs to suicidal depression, and there are distinct signs that indicate somebody is close to killing themselves. I would know. It beggars belief he wasn’t aware, or perhaps it doesn’t considering he wrote that narcissistic paragraph about how awesome he is.

        • MONAD

          Yes. There are signs. I know this, because I’VE PERSONALLY BEEN THERE. I managed to pull myself out of that pit with help of family. What I didn’t do was go all over the internet plastering how horrible my girlfriend’s death was and telling people that I want privacy (while secretly hoping that people will offer their support because I said something). You don’t post that shit on the internet. That’s the absolute worst thing you can do.

        • fnd

          What it is with people blaming suicide on others instead on the person who commited suicide? Yeah, it’s awful, but unless there is evidence that he was in some way responsible to the cause of the suicide it’s just bullshit allegations.

          • Grrr!

            You’re twisting my melons, just let me be.

      • Syltique

        Holy fuck dude. You are a piece of shit.

      • fnd

        You should call the police and claim he was pressuring her to suicide for SJW points. I’m sure there is a dark secret waiting to be revealed.

  • Grrr!

    Oliver Campbell is an e-celeb who takes himself way too seriously.

  • http://www.rejzor.tk RejZoR

    He was asking for privacy of Lily’s family. Ash and Lily were sort of public figures since names were known as well as in person since they attended several GG meetups. And it is because of the later why he responded with explanations what happened. It’s not for attention, it’s because he knew a lot of people from GG personally and just wanted to explain the situation. I perfectly understand it, some apparently don’t. Mostly people here…

    • WildGoose

      He said, “No. We want privacy, please.”

      “We” =/= Lily’s Family

      Stop making things up to fit your personal fantasy narrative.

      • http://www.rejzor.tk RejZoR

        “Personal fantasy narrative”. You sir may remove your tin foil hat now…

        • WildGoose

          Your the one with delusional fantasies, not me.

  • FearsomeMudcrab

    Jesus that fucking paragraph was ridiculous.

    you know for someone who just lost their fucking girlfriend via suicide he sure seems to be on the up and up. If I had to go through that I probably wouldn’t have the energy to write a block of text about how great I am.

    what a trooper.

  • Tracker

    I’ll try to explain it in simple terms. In a way you guys are correct, everything that everyone you mentioned in these articles was acting selfishly. But that’s what people do when people day. They don’t have funerals and wakes and whatever else to benefit dead people. They’re already dead, they don’t give a fuck. They do it as way to grieve, to deal with loss. And it doesn’t matter if they only met IRL once, or only interacted on social media. When someone’s death seems so sudden and so preventable and they are so young it affects people. And [normal] instinctively want to help those affected the most. Sometimes they may do or say things they might be considered inappropriate, but [normal] people overlook that because their hearts in the right place and a lot of people have a hard time coming up with the right words (and to be clear, nothing mention on this site has been even remotely close to inappropriate). So yeah people you mentioned selfishly wanted to help other people to make them feel better, just like every other [normal] person on the planet. It is a little odd that the contributors to this site act so hypersensitive to what they perceived as inappropriate behavior.

    But I get it. Everyone here is in a in a echo chamber circle jerk where they try to out dick each other. I’m sure I can find psychological studies that show people lose any empathy and common sense in such environments. And you must be going for the Nyberg Edgelord award, retweeting dead bodies on train tracks and whatnot. Good luck with that.

    • fnd

      You hit the nail in the head. Autism, autism everywhere…

    • Mattacus

      *die

      • Tracker

        I will, eventually.

  • Syltique

    Jesus Christ, I really had no idea that this site could be filled with such blatant lies.

    The author is down below in the comments, blaming Ashton Liu for his girlfriend’s suicide. And I looked on Twitter, and he’s out retweeting pictures of a girl tied up on a traintrack, or a goose flying by a train, just fucking laughing about it because she killed herself by jumping in front of a train. All of this is stuff you wouldn’t get by looking at this site, and the way things are framed here. The idea that this sociopath of an author cares about Vivian/Liana K/Oliver tweeting Ashton slightly inappropriately is laughable when he’s been doing INFINITELY worse in his twitter feed, and now in the comments below. For the record, no it’s not this guy’s fault this girlfriend committed suicide, and that’s honestly the single most disgusting thing I’ve read on here – especially after you pretend to be outraged on their behalf earlier?

    I’ve made a terrible mistake in ever relying on any information on this site. And Ralph, you can claim that all you’re doing is hosting it, but you are the only person that is allowing this kind of vile shit to spread around because you own the site and you are the one promoting it. Responsibility lies on your shoulders for this whole thing, whether you tell yourself that or not.

    And with that, I’m officially done reading this site. It’s just all fucking lies. Continue to get your information here, and you’ll be stupider for it.

    • http://TheRalphRetort.com/ TheRalphRetort.com

      Appreciate your readership.

    • Grover C Rockwood

      No one cares. Fuck off.

    • Charles Lam

      When it comes to twitter, its a silly place. It’s designed for drama. So idc.

  • MONAD

    Oh fuck them. Jesus Christ. This is part of the reason why I don’t want to associate myself with #gamergate anymore. If it’s just the same to you guys, I’ll continue the fight against these authoritarians without a fucking hashtag.

  • Hyrules

    I find a tremendous irony in righteous indignation and claims of “grave-standing” coming from a crowd of people who so vehemently defend a person’s right to privacy…

    Then the moment said person undercuts them and says, “No, I’m actually clarifying my position.” You immediately throw that person under the bus and have the fucking GALL to imply that they were a poor boyfriend or girlfriend because they didn’t hypothetically do enough to catch signs of suicidal depression.

    Keep patting yourselves on the back for supposedly exposing others exploiting the death of someone for some kind of nebulous social currency. While then going on to insult and imply they were a bad boyfriend because they’re not mourning right and didn’t stop them from killing themselves.

    And Ralph, you may not have written this article but you’re hosting it and giving it a platform. This isn’t some open posting website like a chan or reddit. You choose who posts here. Therefore you’re culpable, at least tangentally, in giving them an audience.

    tl;dr – Enjoy being massive fucking hypocrites who will decry the scummy behavior of others before tearing out the throat of the person you were just defending the moment they contradict you.

    • WildGoose

      Ashton shot first, buddy!

      • fnd

        He probably reacted to the endless stream of bullshit you wrote. And “mommy he did it first” is no excuse for bad behaviour. Give it a rest buddy, this drama benefits no one.

      • Xephon

        Nice third-grader’s defense mechanism you’ve got there.

    • http://g.e-hentai.org GamesGoodMeGood

      but you’re hosting it and giving it a platform

      Very SJW-esque…

      • Hyrules

        Ralph is curating this website’s content. It’s very limited, but he is doing so by sheer virtue of the fact that he gets to choose who posts.

        The content goose is posting here is inflammatory at a minimum. And Ralph okay’d it. Ralph even made it clear on twitter that he has to read something before it’s posted. It doesn’t just schedule to get posted on its own.

        That means he saw it, read it, and approved of it enough to have it go on his own private platform.

        It’s the equivalent of reblogging on tumblr or retweeting on twitter. Or sharing on facebook.

        To then say, “Oh well I didn’t write it!” is dodging the responsibility that you agreed with it enough or found something appealing about it enough to share it with others.

        And for goose pulling the shit he’s pulling both here and on twitter. Calling out others for supposed bad behavior? He then goes on to tag Ashton in images of women and people hit by trains. And laughing as people join in on twitter.

        As I said on twitter. It’s like claiming a person has a smear of shit on them when you’re caked in it.

        • Col. Mustard

          “It’s the equivalent of reblogging on tumblr or retweeting on twitter. Or sharing on facebook.”

          Really? I thought a R/T did not necessarily equate to an endorsement… or is that just something SJW faggots say when it’s convenient?

          • fnd

            I think you R/T things you agree with/find it funny or something dumb a hater wrote about yourself.

        • fnd

          To be fair, Ralph disagreed with the article, but choose to post it anyway.

          • Kellen Joel

            Maybe that’s because he believes in freedom of press/speech? Just because you don’t agree with an opinion doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist. I don’t agree 100% with what Goose said, but it’s not like I’m gonna ask Ralph to remove this article.

          • fnd

            Goose may have a point but he handled the situation in such a poor way that almost no one agrees with him. Hence the need for a little bit of editorial discussion, unless the trolling was intentional that is.

          • Kellen Joel

            Aren’t both he and Jack Outis neo-trolls?

          • fnd

            If that is true, them there wouldn’t be a need to have 3 articles just to prove that he is right.

          • Kellen Joel

            Ha ha, good point.

          • Xephon

            This debate isn’t about free speech; it’s about common decency. This site has hosted three screeds about the suicide of someone the author didn’t even know while he establishes himself as the arbiter of Acceptable Grieving Practices.

          • Kellen Joel

            Hey, Ralph didn’t write them, Goose did, he just let him.

          • Hyrules

            I’m going to come up with another analogy that hopefully illustrates how this might be at least, in some small way, Ralph’s responsibility.

            Imagine, if you will, that Ralph owns a business on a street front. Ralph has a buddy that wants to put up a poster, or offer free copies of a magazine out front.

            Ralph allows said person to do this. Ralph is choosing to have his business and private location not only associated with, but actively promoting the horseshit coming from Goose. Basically mocking and antagonizing a man who just had his girlfriend commit suicide.

            Oh, and who is currently mocking anyone upset with him, or pointing out the hypocrisy in taking some kind of moral highground while being a complete piece of shit to said person in mourning.

            And then Ralph wants to cry on twitter when people are upset? Yeah, why am I not surprised?

          • Hyrules

            Ralph’s commentary on his twitter clearly showed that he knew it would aggravate people. And he decided to post it specifically to spite people who were upset with him, the website, and goose.

            That doesn’t sound like someone who “felt it was a matter of free speech.”

            And as much as it may be a matter of free speech that Ralph ‘can’ post whatever he wants here or let whoever he wants post. That doesn’t mean that he isn’t a prick for doing so.

  • Freeman

    WildGoose, who the fuck are you trying to convince here that you’re the good guy? You’re posting pictures of trains to forwarding them to Ash and you’re gonna sit here like you’re not doing anything wrong and deflect on to Ash who just lost his girlfriend to suicide? “Oh, I may be trolling Ash about his dead girlfriend but at least I didn’t brag about myself” is your defense. All this is happening because you couldn’t admit that you fucked up and just left it at that. Even if Nicole is just “grave-standing” I could forgive all that in the light of your “grave-flaming”. The cold, hard fact of the matter is you used the suicide of one of our own to attack another one of our own because you don’t like her politics or whatever. If it was someone else, someone like Sargon or Queeny or Milo who shared the news you wouldn’t have given a shit. But it was Nicole so take her down, right? Because none of this is about “the fame” for you, right?

    Ralph, for promoting this kind of behavior I’m out for good.

    • WildGoose

      Your entire premise is bunkum. Ash losing his girlfriend doesn’t grant him immunity from criticism or mockery when he makes libelous statements about me or Ralph trying to “run him off the internet.” Stay thirsty, my friend.

      • WildGoose

        “you used the suicide of one of our own”
        “one of our own”
        “our own”

        Thanks for further validating my point regarding the blatant attachment of her death to hashtag slacktivism.

        • Freeman

          You know you’re on a pro-GamerGate website that made it’s name off GamerGate, right? What have you done with your life? Trolled on Twitter. Sounds productive.

          • Hyrules

            Don’t reply to him. For all of his claims of “Grave-standing” and bashing on ashton, oliver, COV, and others for being attention seeking. Goose is projecting. HARD.

            The most vicious insult you can give someone like goose is to stop caring about anything they say or do. All goose can do is hypocritically rant about others moral failings while taunting someone who just had a loved one die with photos of train deaths.

            Justifying it by whatever thin bullshit they want to drum up. When cornered people like goose do the equivalent of, “It’s just a prank, bro!” It’s a paper thin way of absolving themselves of any moral weight of their actions.

            At best they’re amoral hypocrites tearing into others. At worst they’re actually showing big signs of borderline personality disorder or outright sociopathy.

          • WildGoose

            “All goose can do is hypocritically rant about others moral failings while taunting someone who just had a loved one die with photos of train deaths.”

            Ash needs to be constantly reminded of what he drove that girl to do.

          • CharlieWhistle

            Uh… do you have some proof there, goose? That’s some pretty fucking serious shit to accuse someone of. And what is the fuckin point, man. It should be about the person who died. Not all this petty shit.

          • fnd

            Evidence pls. Not holding my breath, since the evidence you use for “grave-standing” is the past behaviour of your enemies.

          • Fred von Sydow

            That’s a really serious accusation, I hope you have proof of because this kind of shit could, and you know what? SHOULD lead to libel.
            I’m the first in line to make jokes about tragedy, but what you did was no joke, it’s called mockery, and when sent directly to someone who’s grieving is just cruel and pathetic.
            You are an insensitive asshole @Wildgoose no matter how you try to frame it.

      • Freeman

        Do you read anything I actually wrote?? Is your autism that strong?? Where did I say he’s immune from criticism? He asked for privacy in a delicate time and you mocked him! Do you not hear yourself? If you ever do you will notice it sounds a lot like the screeches of a petulant child screaming “AM NOT, YOU ARE!”

        And of course, the only reason I could say any of this is because I must think Nicole is attractive. Couldn’t be because you’re being an inhuman dickweed about all this. Of course not, that would require you being wrong at any point in your life, correct? Got nothing else to say about all that other stuff, huh? All you got are talking points against arguments I didn’t make.

      • Tracker

        This is hilarious coming from a guy tweeting dead bodies on train tracks.

  • Akbar Shabazz Jenkins

    Holy shit has this article got all the delicate little flowers over on KIA all in a tizzy. They are pissing all in their Underoos. Great job!

  • Mr Snow

    I’m in support of free speech, but this is just excessive. I’m not gonna tell people to censor the site, but man, letting goose run wild is really driving people away. And did the guy seriously tweet a pic of a dead woman to the guy who just lost his girlfriend?

    Jesus christ… You want to criticize a guy for the state of mind he’s in after losing someone, because he talks about how good he is? Seems like someone’s been attacking him so of course he’s on the defensive.

    I’m a proponent of not forgetting the bad someone does just because they died, but where’s the bad here?

    It’s good to call out the shitbags who are pimping their patreons and tying it to the girl’s death. Those people are shameless.

    But defending some asshole tweeting graphic violence and calling it comedy?

    Ralph, man, I’ve been supporting you for a long time, but you need to think about the company you’re keeping, and rethink your “never apologize” stance.

  • fnd

    I called this “privacy pls” out in the beginning, since he ended up telling about his dead girlfriend to internet people, how can he want privacy in the first place? That being said, this whole affair is much ado about nothing, it’s just a way to take cheap shots at people who you have past grievances with. Stop doubling down trying to save face Goose.

  • Dave

    “He claims that I’ve used his loss to attack people but–just like Nikki
    Sund–he refuses to elaborate on how exactly my article did that.”

    You really are a special kind of retard, aren’t you?

  • Herbert☆VonDoom

    heed Milo’s advice and don’t take the bait. its a trap. virtual Signalers got what they wanted from their initial distasteful actions, the “moral high-ground”

    • Herbert☆VonDoom

      Virtue*

    • fnd

      It takes two to tango…

  • Vault101

    I’ve been coming to this website since before it blew up and I have to be honest, this “article” is of an extremely low quality. I don’t even get it. What is the point? Because a cursory glance makes it seem like the author is now just using Ralph’s platform as a way to sperg out very publically.

    The first 2 articles were at least passable (albeit not especially interesting), but this one amounts to an obnoxious bitchfest. So the guy whose girlfriend killed herself doesn’t agree with you…that means it’s time to write another useless diatribe, but this time attacking him instead? Really? I gave WG a chance, but so far he has imparted virtually zero useful information in any of his articles (unlike Ralph, S4T, Nora and Outis, who are genuinely entertaining for the most part). Going to be taking a pass on his pieces from here on out.

    • SpecialK19

      This. Poor taste and shit writing…but the sperging is hilarious.

      • Vault101

        I’ll give you that. The sperging IS pretty hilarious.

  • Marcio #712

    Hey Goose you’re a disgusting piece of shit. Forwarding that pic.. I mean, who does that? Fuck yourself.

    • WildGoose

      HEH!

  • Ryan Arko

    A lot of Chan influence in the anti-Ralph comments today…

  • Cameron A Ballinger

    And shit like this is pushing people out of GamerGate faster than you can say “Don’t shoot!”, pfft. No wonder GamerGate is going down the shitter, it’s this site that’s doing it… we are the ones killing ourselves here.

    I’m done with Gamergate, goodbye… I hope you people had your little fun of trying to kill everyone.

    • Grover C Rockwood

      No one cares. Good riddance.

  • Kellen Joel

    What a coincidence, Anne Wheaton left too!

  • Pepep Popep

    I can’t believe that Goose doesn’t give a shit about a girl nobody ever gave a shit about.

    • Grover C Rockwood

      EXACTLY! Who was this dead bitch and why should I give a shit?

      • fnd

        Some people tweeted that she was dead and that this kind of attittude is somehow worse than Hitler.

        • WildGoose

          I give a shit that you think I don’t give a shit even though I clearly don’t not give a shit that wasn’t given. Shit.

    • fnd

      How is writing 3 articles “not giving a shit”?

      • Pepep Popep

        The articles are tangentially about her, they’re mainly about the people pretending they have lost kin.

        • fnd

          These articles woudn’t have existed if she didn’t kill herself, so it is about her :^).

  • Grover C Rockwood

    I didn’t give a shit about this lady when she was alive,and I give even less of a shit since I know she killed herself. I could also give less than a shit if people want privacy. If you want privacy, get the fuck off the internet.

    • fnd

      I love commenteers that don’t give a shit XD

  • ShepardRahl

    How exactly did she die? I’ve seen train accident, suicide, she jumped in front of a train.

  • Jak Constantine

    Isn’t this just adding fuel to the fire and creating more e-drama? People have a right to defend themselves and express their opinion, but this is just poor. Lol I see funny trolling and shit, but this isn’t even funny (No idea why I’m laughing).

    I don’t know. Best thing is move on. Anyway Milo just gotten slandered by a fat old feminist on TV yesterday.

  • Maintenance Renegade

    This is all banner waving #GamerGate is in 2016, twitter drama between the d-list e-celebs who clung to it almost a year longer than the better breed of e-celebs who lost patience and left during the shill hunts.

    I’ll give you a hint guys, if you want to do the work GG really stood for at it’s best that means getting out there and smacking down SJWs and throwing spotlights on their lies OUTSIDE the GG hugbox. The better parts of GG splintered off and became their own distinct communities awhile ago if they weren’t already before.

    In the last few months I’ve de-cuckified and redpilled several men in my real life social circle and now they’re spreading the tumblrisms vids to THEIR friends. Now tell me oh great heroes of GG, what have you guys actually done lately? GG was always supposed to be a work, not an identity or a social circlejerk. Too many people seem to have missed the memo.

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  • bob

    Wow, the fact you guys wrote a fifth or six (lost count) article on this one topic. Shows your ego as reached critical mass.

  • Xephon

    Holy Fuck, are you going to start rage-pissing on her parents next?
    I’m guessing you’ve never lost someone close to you. Or is you have, you dealt with it in the same this-is-all-about-my-anger-and-not-your-grief fashion that we’re seeing here.
    It’s natural for people to seek privacy in times of grief. It’s also natural for people dealing with grief to NOT talk about or want to think about their lost loved ones.
    My father died in 1992. He died on a Sunday and we buried him on a Thursday. My employer gave me the four days off from work to deal with the funeral arrangements. We (my family and I) completed the arrangements and settled his last will and testament in one day (Monday), and I went back to work on Tuesday and Wednesday, taking off again on the day of the funeral. I had to be doing something OTHER THAN thinking about my father’s death. Doing something productive was the only way I could cope. People deal with grief in their own ways, and it’s no one’s right to criticize how they do it (and don’t start with the free speech shit – have a shred of decency).
    And as far an Liu “not knowing”, here’s a news flash about suicides: the ONLY way they can ever get away with it is by NOT telling their loved ones what they’re planning and how they’re feeling. Kurt Cobain wrote and recorded a song called “I Hate Myself And Want To Die”. Did ANYBODY see that as a warning sign? Who the hell are you to say what people SHOULD HAVE known?

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