OK, lots of news on the Reddit front, some of it you may have already heard. We’ll go over that, and some info about Alex Ohanian and his Patreon activities. It’s been a busy couple of days for my Ohanian. As it turns out, he might be the one that actually fired beloved employee Victoria Taylor, not Ellen Pao. That’s according to the CEO before Pao, Yishan Wong. I don’t know what true and what isn’t, but it appears that in reality Ohanian had more power than Pao, and that he continues to wield enormous influence along with the newly appointed CEO, co-founder Steve Huffman. If Wong has been accurately describing things, that is.

Speaking of his description, here’s what he said about Ellen Pao:

But… the most delicious part of this is that on at least two separate occasions, the board pressed /u/ekjp (note: Ellen Pao) to outright ban ALL the hate subreddits in a sweeping purge. She resisted, knowing the community, claiming it would be a shitshow. Ellen isn’t some “evil, manipulative, out-of-touch incompetent she-devil” as was often depicted. She was approved by the board and recommended by me because when I left, she was the only technology executive anywhere who had the chops and experience to manage a startup of this size, AND who understood what reddit was all about. As we can see from her post-resignation activity, she knows perfectly well how to fit in with the reddit community and is a normal, funny person – just like in real life – she simply didn’t sit on Reddit all day because she was busy with her day job.

Ellen was more or less inclined to continue upholding my free-speech policies./r/fatpeoplehate was banned for inciting off-site harassment, not discussing fat-shaming. What all the white-power racist-sexist neckbeards don’t understand is that with her at the head of the company, the company would be immune to accusations of promoting sexism and racism: she is literally Silicon Valley’s #1 Feminist Hero, so any “SJWs” would have a hard time attacking the company for intentionally creating a bastion (heh) of sexist/racist content. She probably would have tolerated your existence so long as you didn’t cause any problems – I know that her long-term strategies were to find ways to surface and publicize Reddit’s good parts – allowing the bad parts to exist but keeping them out of the spotlight.

We should keep in mind that Wong is friends with Pao, so he could be spinning things to her advantage. Still, it doesn’t make me think the new leadership will be any better, especially given what his post was in response to. Here’s the new CEO, Steve Huffman:

There has been a lot of discussion lately —on Reddit, in the news, and here internally— about Reddit’s policy on the more offensive and obscene content on our platform. Our top priority at reddit is to develop a comprehensive Content Policy and the tools to enforce it.

The overwhelming majority of content on reddit comes from wonderful, creative, funny, smart, and silly communities. That is what makes reddit great. There is also a dark side, communities whose purpose is reprehensible, and we don’t have any obligation to support them. And we also believe that some communities currently on the platform should not be here at all.

Neither Alexis nor I created reddit to be a bastion of free speech, but rather as a place where open and honest discussion can happen: These are very complicated issues, and we are putting a lot of thought into it. It’s something we’ve been thinking about for quite some time. We haven’t had the tools to enforce policy, but now we’re building those tools and reevaluating our policy.

We as a community need to decide together what our values are. To that end, I’ll be hosting an AMA on Thursday 1pm pst to present our current thinking to you, the community, and solicit your feedback.

The we also have rumors of a crackdown coming even before this AMA.

I’m not liking what I’m hearing from Reddit, and am beginning to think that Pao was used as a way to usher in these changes and blame it on an “out-of-control mob” of users, say they ran her off because she was a women, etc. You can even see it in the announcement of her departure, when board member Sam Altman wrote this:

As a closing note, it was sickening to see some of the things redditors wrote about Ellen. The reduction in compassion that happens when we’re all behind computer screens is not good for the world. People are still people even if there is Internet between you.

Here’s more from Breitbart’s Allum Bokhari:

Furthermore, Wong alleged that Huffman was far more willing to ban controversial Reddit communities than either himself or Pao. According to Wong, Huffman once told him that when he was CEO, he would ban offensive content “right away.”

There’s a possibility that Wong is just causing trouble — he describes himself as a personal friend of Ellen Pao, and he is clearly angry with the way she has been treated by the Reddit board of directors. He recently described the failure to explain Pao was not responsible for the sacking of Victoria Taylor — the incident that sparked the second ‘Reddit Revolt’ — as an “incredibly shitty thing to do.”

But enterprising Reddit users have unearthed evidence that points to the truth of Wong’s assessment of Steve Huffman. Posts from 2008 and 2010 show him banning users that engage in “hate speech” on the spot and editing offensive usernames.

He wraps up by saying that Voat should get ready for the mass exodus of users that is sure to come their way. I would advise them to do the same thing, because it looks as if the crackdown is about to happen. Now they have all their ducks in a row, and the original team is in place. It will be impossible to stop them now. Maybe they won’t go too far, but I wouldn’t bank on that outcome as of now. Only time will tell the full tale, of course.


Oh, I almost forgot, here’s a little more on Alex Ohanian. I wouldn’t put much faith in this clown, let’s put it that way. Take a look at who he sponsors on Patreon:

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Reddit is likely headed completely down the shitter. Get your Voat accounts ready.

  1. What all the white-power racist-sexist neckbeards don’t understand

    Well at least we know he isn’t coming into this with any pre-conceived bias.

    Silicon Valley’s #1 Feminist Hero

    Again with the totally unbiased viewpoint…

    1. The very same “Feminist Hero” who hired a woman for the sole purpose to be shield, stood by and said nothing while she was getting torn apart in the media, then bragged about how it was his intention to throw her under the bus from beginning?

      Sounds like a feminist to me.

  2. As we can see from her post-resignation activity, she knows perfectly well how to fit in with the reddit community and is a normal, funny person – just like in real life – she simply didn’t sit on Reddit all day because she was busy with her day job.

    1. The lawsuit.
    2. Linked to a personal message.

    He’s lying through his teeth about Pao, but that doesn’t mean he’s lying about the other people.

    This is just like when Stalin died and Beria seized power.

    1. He’s giving himself a lot of credit, but if he’s not lying, he’s essentially turned most of Reddit into Reddit Bolsheviks….

      This won’t be fun.

      1. Most of Reddit’s employees.

        You’ve seen how many people Reddit’s lost in the past 6 weeks?

        Expect that to be a speck of dust compared to what’s coming if that happens.

        1. Yeah.

          If he’s not lying, it’s a clever coup d’etat, I’ll give him that….

          But it’s one that will lead to his own ruin. So we’ve got that going for us, which is nice.

  3. I hope Voat is up for their job since someone (probably Reddit employees) have succeeded in terminating their PayPal account. Below is a mail I got after attempting to donate to them.

    I believe that what GamerGate needs the most right now, is an alternative to PayPal that is resistant to false reporting from SJW’s. Yes there is Bitcoin, but that is not something you can expect ordinary people to use.

    1. I’d say check what torrent sites use for donations and payment, they’ve been working around stuff like that for years.

      Edit: seems one site I go to uses this: https://www.skrill.com/en/home/

      Can’t speak to that site in particular, haven’t used it, but can say the torrent site that uses it has never been shady.

    2. Agree 100% on PayPal. They’re a fucking cancer at this point. I hate to even use them at all, but eBay etc. It’s getting worse and not better, though. If you’re controversial enough you get banned.

    3. hurin, if memory serves me correctly, I believe the owner of Voat or the adminstrator of the PayPal account( European entity ) had announced a short while ago, that Voat will not be accepting further donations due to legal accounting/ taxation issues where he is situated(Voat), furthermore he has to deal with the more important and pressing matter of being able to keep Voat operational After it was announced to his website provider that Voat is a hate site by European SJW’s trying to shut it down.

  4. “Neither Alexis nor I created reddit to be a bastion of free speech, but rather as a place where open and honest discussion can happen:”

    How can there be an “open and honest discussion” without fully embracing and supporting Free Speech? Is it supposed to only be an “open and honest discussion” for an echo chamber without dissenting opinions? What a fuck head.

    1. equalists don’t realize that hateful and offensive speech are the most important forms of free speech – that’s the whole point of the concept

    1. I hope they go ahead and finish themselves off. The site’s clearly not going to get any better and it’s already a shithole.

    2. Reddit Revolt 2.0 toppled Pao, Reddit Revolt 3.0 will topple the site (or at least cripple it)

      1. I’m thinking of competitor sites eating up Reddit after the mass cleansing. Voat is the name constantly floating around, and I’m sure people will find a way to finance it.

        I was kind hoping that Pao wasn’t just a sacrificial proxy, but sadly even she’s been used in order push the site in a very, very wrong direction.

        I genuinely feel some pity for her. Also fuck Reddit, let it burn.

  5. Find a new site. Writing’s been on the wall for a long ass time apparently. But I guess we’ll see.

  6. So, a corporate board on a site that isn’t supposed to make money because it’s purely social and user created content is unrepentantly fucking evil? Why am I not surprised. Can someone link the scene from Dogma where Matt Damon and Ben Afflek’s characters list the sins of the board members before SMITING THE ABSOLUTE FUCK out of them? I’m too lazy and despondent now to search for it…

    And yes, I’m saying that if someone smote the entire board I would not care and it would probably be an improvement for the human race.

  7. I wouldn’t put too much trust in what Wong is saying. He’s not on Reddit’s board anymore, so he has no say or pull in what happens there. This smells like more bullshit spin – “HAHA! SO WHAT ELLEN GOT FIRED! WE TOTALLY MEANT TO DO THAT!”. Of course, if this douchebag is telling the truth (I highly doubt it), then he’s admitting to letting Pao get thrown to the wolves to make himself look good. What a great example of feminism, huh?

    Secondly, why is this guy gloating at all? Reddit is losing money faster than Trump after a divorce, and he’s acting like driving out the main 18-34 male demographic is going to improve their fortunes? Someone needs to tell this guy that Reddit is not an irreplaceable site providing a unique service. The minute enough users become unsatisfied with Reddit, they’ll leave in droves and take their business elsewhere.

    1. This entire thing reeks of bullshit. Great example? Shit. This is Feminism’s MO at this point.

  8. In the end it’s irrelevant – If Pao was just a front for a white male SJW, then she’s still a collaborator

    Nothing short of active opposition to social justice should be tolerated. If this turns out to be so then the guns should be retrained on Ohanian

  9. The League of Shadows has been a check against human corruption for thousands of years. We sacked Rome. Loaded trade ships with plague rats. Burned London to the ground. Now it’s time to shit troll Reddit till it implodes.

  10. Given the sort of bigotry that pervades so many forums and social media sites, it only makes sense that if you’re wanting to ensure more people are comfortable using your service that you would do your best to remove problematic material. The only alternative is that your service becomes a platform for hate groups to harass people and spread hate. Just think of how many people have taken on more racist stances purely because they kept reading stories posted on Reddit about black people committing crime? If they weren’t able to read those stories they never would have become so racist.

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