EDITOR’S NOTE: Enjoy this July 4th Double Feature editorial on the recent Fire Emblem controversy.

GUEST EDITORIAL by Candy Jam (Steam)

So with the gay marriage Supreme Court ruling came the usual whining. We got the Facebook rainbow image filter that should never be used by straight people (according to SJWs). And of course, the Shieldmaidens of Tumblr have sunk their claws into another victim. This time it’s the not-even-released in the West yet Fire Emblem Fates…the same game which a week prior had them foaming at the panties with it’s same sex relationship ability.

Alas, all things must be problematic, right? Fates is no exception. A bit of awkward (likely due to shaky translation) writing and we got GAY CONVERSION THERAPY. Yes, that’s right. Apparently one of the male romance-able characters is totally a converted lesbian. Oh wait, no she’s not. She’s a girl who idealized her father so much she tried to interact as he might. Or she’s doing this as revenge against her father. As no professional translation exists, it’s sort of all speculation at this point. Swap the genders and her male self would be torn down as a sexist womanizer. But it’s totally okay when women are overly flirty. After all it’s not tumblr/feminism without a big piping hot cup of double standards.

So the gist of the issue is the character Solieri presents herself as a strong woman in the eyes of cute girls. However she has a bad habit of fainting on the battlefield, so a powder is given to her to help her see women as men. It’s kind of an awkward concept, but nothing extreme. It’s not presented as a means to change her. Only help with the fainting. This leads to the character falling for the male lead as he is. Is it kinda odd? Sure. Is it spitting on those who’ve died due to the horrors of conversion therapy? No. But that’s what Tumblr’s for, to take any who can’t speak for themselves and speak over them.

Details in the link here on the somewhat confusing story.

An important message for Nintendo fans

But of course Tumblr has their own response to anything.july1
The saddest part of this is no one is defending the writing. Just about everyone is calling it out for being awkward. But they aren’t turning around and screaming like it’s taking a shit on gay women. That’s all the SJWs.  As a lesbian leaning woman myself, I see it as a poor writing, and so I’ll just refrain from romancing the character. I mean let’s face it, I’mma be romancing all the ladies as a female so I don’t have to deal with the character anyway.. Unlike the Op of the Tumblr post, which was used as the source for the original articles. (link here: https://archive.is/YHkSM) I’m not going to trust scans that I’ve not made. Nor am I going to make a THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED bit and claim it as truth. All the while, completely leaving out the scans that show the powder is being used for her fainting. The character can be bi, or even a straight woman. I don’t know as of now. She’s a fictional character and holds no bearing on reality. Just don’t tell Tumblr that.

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GUEST EDITORIAL by Zap

Some guy with a hat once wrote a book (about journalism and in it was the phrase “A lie can go around the world before the truth can get its boots on.” Seems appropriate enough.*

Well, anyway, story time.   Fire Emblem If (also known as Fire Emblem Fates) is currently out in Japan and groups are working on translating it into English before it actually is released here. This being a fan project, things don’t always transfer well.

Two nights ago someone translated a support conversation between one of the new characters and the player avatar. It involves magic powder, seeing women everywhere, and other Anime weeaboo standards.

Someone on Tumblr decided it equated not only to date rape but also gay conversion therapy. It was long, it was emotional,

And it was completely out of context.

https://archive.is/A1lZZ

But too late! The story had already been picked up by International Business Times who naturally wrote a loaded headline. They have since amended it to add that the character in question is “bisexual,” but no mention that perhaps it’s not the best idea to just go off a Tumblr post for your research.

https://archive.is/snkP5

The fandom is currently in flames but that’s not so bad. Maybe everyone will get it out of their system. In the meantime someone tried to mitigate the damage by posting a better explanation of the actual issue only to get told they were part of GamerGate and therefore irrelevant.

http://imgur.com/gallery/Z46S9

My point isn’t whether the original poster was or wasn’t right. My point is that too often these so called “social justice” people are repeatedly falling into outrage and emotionally-charged rhetoric over the tiniest things in order to “educate” the masses. Not only are these posts often lacking context but it’s alienating when you’re constantly trying to stay on the sidelines and can’t speak up for fear of supporting the wrong “side.” I can get behind the idea of social justice and equality for all but the blogosphere and people involved in fandoms nowadays are just toxic.  The best way to engage people and get them on your side isn’t to reach for the worst scenario imaginable or to write impassioned Tumblr posts to an echo chamber about “problematic elements” over a 2D sprite.   We didn’t get to gay marriage in USA from blog posts about positive diversity – we got it through litigation and on-the-ground activism. And the kneejerk circle-wank press that knows nothing about a subject probably need to stop too.

 

Add’tl links: Ian Miles Cheong
http://www.gameranx.com/features/id/28987/article/manufactored-controversy-what-s-fire-emblem-have-to-do-with-gay-conversion-therapy/

 

* and by that I mean Terry Pratchett and the book is “The Truth” and you should read it.

 

(Niche Gamer link, Mombot translation thread)

34 comments
  1. story be damned, they want things their way or not. Screw the gender is social construct when it comes to that

  2. It is a video game. That is out in Japan. That isn’t even well-translated to english. We’re not talking about DOOM, a new Elder Scrolls game, or even a Far Cry or Assassin’s Creed game, this is shit that like a half million people scattered across the globe but mostly crammed into bedrooms in Japan and shutins in the US will ever fucking see. WHO GIVES A SHIT WHAT THE CHARACTERS ARE LIKE. It’s like getting mad at a racist caricature on an obscure bottle of hot sauce they only sell in some taco joint that most of the public will never ever eat at.

    SJWs are damaged, damaged people.

        1. That’s when the SJW girls and the White Knights invaded anime/manga culture and the feminists started making their moves.

          I’d rather my hobby be made fun of and have people in it truly enjoy it, than have it be mainstream tv and ruined….

          1. True, but SJW’s and white knights have been repeatedly pushed back by weeaboos much like what’s been happening in the gaming community. Some of them have even tried their hand at infiltrating 2chan and 2ch, both with disastrous results.

          2. Let’s be honest here, there is a huge market of anime goods like figurines or lewd anime body pillows in Japan and we, foreigners, are just a small slice of the profit pie. So who would the executives listen more? Their own people, as long as lewd body pillows and figurines sells with other anime goods. Not rainbow-haired dunces and their eunnuchs.

          3. And even if us Gaijin were a massive source of revenue, stopping sales of them would just make the executives less money.

          4. I post at Animesuki and remember a very embarrassing shitstorm in 2011 started by one I could call SJW. He reacted to a scene where the male lead punched a girl in the face, because he needed a cellphone that contained the leads that could save his friend. Mind you, Anime character went through several time loops where he FAILED to save his friend, and that girl he punched have shot his friend in one of the timeline. Of course, he’d be a little pissed.

            But noooooo, not in the eyes of that SJW, it is wrong because its a girl!

            I could link you if you are interested, it might be my first encounter with a SJW before I knew the term.

          5. Second post, the one that started the shitstorm

            http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=106118

            That was four years ago and one of the most embarrassing shitstorms in this bb’s history. Oh, and the fellow is mostly gone anyway. Perhaps he have figured out that some people are tired of “BUT THINK OF THE POOR WYMEN! QQ” when they just want to talk about anime.

          6. Hope you won’t be bothered by this but I thought I’d hijack your comment for a bit. Saw this brief exchange and figured I’d check it out (had nothing better to do). Now, before I continue, I have no idea about said anime being discussed so I had to go by what other people posted. I may have changed character’s names in my head to something I could better understand. After all I am an outsider looking in.

            So not even two posts in and wham, someone with something to say. This midonin (who I will refer to M for short) really felt the need to say something they weren’t comfortable with. Fair enough, the first two paragraphs seemed okay until I got to the third and noticed M making this specifically about celebrating (minor) violence towards women. Seems like they didn’t get the reaction they wanted as they had to reiterate their self-righteous opinion more explicitly in their second post. This seemed to get the response they were looking for as someone quickly called them out on it.

            I will give this forum credit as some posters were quick to point out the holes in M’s argument. Hell, I give you more credit for sticking to your guns here. You came out strong, as I think some tried calling you out on this, but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t have done the same. Ultimately M back peddled changing their stance on the whole subject as a misunderstanding (at least how I read it).

            Yea, I won’t go into this too much but ultimately this M poster definitely tried to steer the conversation into a gender topic issue where there wasn’t any. Part of the reason I think they stepped back had to do with the lack of support they received and couldn’t handle the shit they started.

          7. Only skimmed the first two pages, but Jesus Christ, that Midonin. At first, he made a pretty good post discussing the episode itself, but then he just suddenly tacks on this paragraph discussing people who “celebrate” violence towards women. I don’t go to AnimeSuki, but can I safely assume that isn’t a common thing there? It just reeks of the same kind of mentality that SJWs have about gamers thinking of their fandom as a “boys’ club” when NOBODY ever once looked at it that way.

            Incidentally, I can’t say I really advocate a lot of the female-on-male violence that quite a few anime depicts, but that’s mainly for all the tsundere characters who act like straight-up bitches and beat up on some guy who’s usually in no way deserving of it (some of the more well-known Kugimiya roles being among the worst offenders). If the guy IS deserving of such violence (ex. Sunohara in Clannad), then I’ve got no complaints if a girl beats the ever-loving shit out of him. Same thing applies to male-on-female violence. Having watched the anime in question, I can say that this instance of a guy punching a girl was very much warranted. Even if you could make the argument that that timeline’s version of her was innocent, she was acting too hysterical to be reasoned with, and I’m glad to see the majority of people in that forum were calling out Midonin on this.

            BTW, I’m reminded of a friend of mine making a blog post about Kyon “almost” punching Haruhi and being concerned that such an action was over-the-top for him, and was shocked at the number of people saying they wished Kyon had gone through with it (he even outright says “guys should never hit girls”). Never mind the fact that Haruhi was treating Mikuru as little more than her toy, proudly proclaiming that she was doing so whilst physically abusing her, AND essentially egged Kyon on when he refrained from punching her the first time. Though, that post was over 5 years ago, so hopefully his views have changed since then (not that I’ve asked him).

          8. Thing about that is since Anime is rooted in Japan, and Feminism is almost nonexistent there, penetrating the cultural “CAP Barrier” is impossible, and almost always leads to humiliation.

          9. Feminism – or at least its protoform, extreme female hypergamy – exists there quite heavily.

            The Yamato Nadeshiko is long-since nearly extinct. Women in Japan won’t marry you or even give you the time of day unless you’re stinking rich.

            DESPITE the fact that their average wage is barely middle class, they won’t marry you unless you make the equivalent of >$100,000 USD/year.

            That’s why men have gone hikkikomori / herbivorous / MGTOW en masse and the birth rate is in the danger zone.

            Forget ‘manspreading’ – they live in a society so anti-male that a mere accusation from some teenage cunts made a JASA engineer who’d done nothing wrong commit seppuku by jumping in front of a train. He had already been fired from his job.

            This despite the fact that the shitpile girls admitted it was false and that they were ‘just trying to extort him’ for money to keep his supposed ‘shame’ private.

            Or the women-only train cars, with their air-conditioned comforts, while men are literally packed in like sardines.

            Or Agnes Chan and the endless moralist crusades against Anime and Manga.

            Or I-shit-hara, [Tokyo Mayor Ishihara] and his antics.

            Traditional Japanese culture is quite patriarchal, it’s true, but to say that Feminism doesn’t exist there is quite incorrect.

        2. I am neither of those things and I have always loved FE. So, the broad stroke generalization from OP still doesn’t hold water.

      1. Always. The “normals” don’t play Tactical Games unless they have Pokemon, Mario or Final Fantasy attached to it.
        More people know the Fire Emblem crew from Smash Brothers than from the abysmal hit percentages the series can throw at you without warning.

        1. I play a lot of JRPGs, but I don’t immerse myself in Japanese culture and I am definitely not a shut in, and I’m sure I am not the only exception. If a game is good, like FE, who cares that it wasn’t developed in the west?

          Everyone seems to forget that a in the 80s a little company called Nintendo almost single-handedly pulled the video game industry out of the tank. Modern gaming owes a lot to the Japanese games community. THAT’S what the “normals” tend to overlook when bashing Square, NIS or Capcom for not caving into the absurd gender politics that have poisoned western culture.

    1. Uh…FE:A sold enough to save the IP. I was one of the buyers. While I enjoy some JRPGs and anime/manga , I have no real desire to live there, though possibly visit in the distant future. So i’m no weeabo. Still Why must the buggers pull this shite! and over a likely botched translation!

  3. Ugh the third wave strikes again. And on a game i was looking forward to too! Hey morons ever heard of BOTCHED TRANSLATION! They happen you know and this is a likely case of it!

  4. I still can’t believe we’re sincerely linking to Ian Miles Cheong’s Gameranx website now for what amount to “acceptable” games journalism. The world truly is a strange place.

  5. So Tumblr counts as a source now?

    I swear that cesspool is becoming more of a cancer with each passing minute.

  6. To take a page from the SJW playbook:

    This is a game with fantasy elements like magic and elves. Why can’t gays be converted in this universe? Games don’t need to be totally realistic, yes?

  7. Some people change sexual orientation… SJW fascists will tell you it’s impossible, but it is quite frequent. I know one personally.

  8. I swear, if major changes like censorship happens in this game b/c of the SJWs, heads will roll.

  9. People who don’t play Fire Emblem are getting upset by things within Fire Emblem.
    It’s not like the same sex thing is anything new.
    You go same sex, you don’t get “YOUR” children aka the most powerful characters you can get. The Wartime World is always sexist, misogynist filled, caste-systems, etc; Because that’s their world. That’s how it’s always been.
    I will never be able to comprehend how people come into long standing franchises and complain about them.

    Meh, whatever. This is exactly why we’re never going to revisit Persona 1 & Persona 2.

  10. You have to understand that they do things like this for money, not to show support. They could really give a flying @*&! about who is gay and who isn’t. People just overthink things too much.

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