Charlottesville Torch Rally: Ill-Conceived Stunt or Brilliant Show of Force?

Charlottesville Torch Rally: Ill-Conceived Stunt or Brilliant Show of Force?

A picture out of Charlottesville, Virginia was passed along to me late last night. For some reason, I was originally told it was in New Orleans. Anyway, here’s the picture:

Now, as soon as I saw this, I knew how it would be portrayed in the mainstream media, namely, as a Klu Klux Klan rally. You’d have to be insane to think otherwise, since it popped up into my head as well. I had some people disagree with me on Twitter. These folks said this was a brilliant show of force. They also pointed out that these sorts of torch marches are common in Europe. That may be, but we aren’t in Europe. A demonstration like this immediately calls to mind the KKK, if you are an American. To say otherwise is pretty disingenuous.

As was pointed out to me on Twitter, those trying to save Confederate statues are going to be called racist Nazis by the left no matter what. It’s hard to disagree with that. I’m married to a woman of Pakistani descent and have repeatedly talked about anti-racism, but that doesn’t stop be from being called a racist scumbag almost every single day online. So, I get saying “fuck the left, do what you want.” Someone also said I was concerned with public relations (PR). Longtime readers of this site will no doubt laugh at that notion. I was smeared all over the world earlier this year just for writing a column about a video game thot. PR is nothing something that sits at the top of my list of concerns.

That being said, there’s a difference between being a slave to PR and actively doing shit that will almost certainly be a harm to the cause you are espousing. I don’t think the people who took part in this, Richard Spencer among them, thought this was bad. I’m sure they did it because they think it will help, not to hurt their own espoused mission. I just have to respectfully disagree with this play.

What is the stated cause for this torch rally? It’s saving the Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville. I fail to see how this sort of display will increase the likelihood of achieving that goal, a goal which I agree with, by the way. In fact, if I were a Republican legislator, or some moderate Democrat on the fence about the issue, I could easily imagine being completely spooked about supporting anything having to do with KKK-style torch rallies. Maybe you say, “Hey Ralph, that’s unfair. This wasn’t a KKK rally.” OK, fair enough. But when the first thing I think of as someone who agrees with Spencer and his allies on this issue is KKK, there is a problem.

And that’s not even mentioning the way the media have portrayed it. It’s ready-made propaganda for the other side.

It’s not about going at Richard Spencer. I actually think he’s an interesting and welcomed voice on the right. In a lot of ways, I’m closer to him on domestic policy than I am to most people on the New/Alt-right. That’s not to say I agree with everything he’s ever said. Obviously, I am a much milder voice in terms of policy prescriptions and the like. I do like the guy, though. If this all turns out to be some massive win, the Lee statue gets saved, etc., I will look back and admit that I was wrong. I can honestly say I truly hope that I am off-base with this analysis. Still, I fail to see how the torch summit will end up being a net-gain at this point.

(The above tweet shows a Grecian torch rally.)

Yes, I get the view that “finally we are seeing a pushback” against the leftists who are trying to erase history. This was put forward by many of my Twitter followers. Maybe that’s where some commenters here will come down as well. I’m not sure, but I am interested to find out. So let me know what you think about all this down below.

Ethan Ralph

Founder, Owner, & Editor-in-Chief of TheRalphRetort.com. Political fiend, gamer, & anti-bullshit.

  • Toastrider

    First off, the media is always going to shit on us. Always. They are going to lie through their asses.

    Second, yeah, not sold that a TORCHLIGHT rally was the best way to approach this one. Though it looks less like ‘KKK’ and more ‘Frankenstein mob’. All it needs are pitchforks!

    • Lol, someone else mentioned pitchforks to me this morning.

    • Nope.avi

      Anything anyone does will be labeled as Nazi or KKK by the bullshit media

  • Maintenance Renegade

    The predictable conclusion of decades of dipshit identity politics, when you play a game or introduce a tactic don’t act surprised when your opposition starts playing the same game and using the same tactics.

  • Celerity

    I say if we’re gonna be called racist fucks regardless why not really get in their heads with imagery like this that doesn’t actually involve doing anything racist?

    If we’ll be attacked either way it doesn’t matter what we do and as long as no actual people are being targeted no reasonable person can say those claims have major merit.

    This is actually a classic tactic. Do something that will offend only your enemies, watch the results.

  • Grust

    When I said that eventually someone was going to say “ahh screw it” and start shooting these psychos, some responded that the left would use that to delegitimize us, my response, “Like they don’t do that already.

  • Silence Dogood

    Whoever told you that you were wrong and linked that picture of a Grecian Torch Rally is a fucking idiot – if I’m not mistaken that group they were showcasing are actual fascists. -_- /sigh Then again a decade of austerity makes a lot of things start to look appealing. At any rate I think the Confederate statues/monuments should be removed from their places of pride and relocated to a museum of history, perhaps one dedicated either to the Civil War or the particular State – those monuments have valuable historical context, but much like flying the “losers flag” in government buildings, it is in extremely ill-taste and sends a message of “hey, we were proud of slavery and the fight to maintain the feudal lord/serf culture that defined the South prior to and during the Civil War”.

  • David Flory

    Remember that the left owns the media and have the luxury of choosing their battles. They can always withdraw from the monument fight for a while and shift attention to some other hate-crime hoax, police shooting, or Trump tweet.
    Likewise, most politicians are cowards. They will support removal of the monuments if it doesn’t harm their own positions, but will drag their feet if removal turns into a major shitstorm that promises to spill over into the primaries.
    Business leaders just want this all to go away.

  • Splattergrunt

    At least they don’t cover their faces unlike the fucktards in Antifa.

  • Nunya Business

    Anything involving fire will be met with cheers and jeers, but
    befinitely a brilliant show of force. The target audience is those who
    have been waiting for and/or are drawn to “finally we are seeing a pushback” not status quo, aging, teevee boomers and their state-sanctioned media ridiculing our people for years.

  • MagnaEuropa

    Ralph confirmed tired of winning. Move out the way bruh.

  • binky354

    Demanding removal of anything confederate is an attempt to rewrite history. It’s intellectually stupid. How can we know how far we’ve come if we don’t know where we started from?

    • ExiledV2

      I personally don’t have a problem with it as Confederates were traitors to the United States and the Constitution, I would no more glorify Confederates with statues than I would Benedict Arnold or Vidkun Quisling. I am also of the opinion that all Confederate soldiers and political members should have been executed for treason than allowed to go back home.

      • binky354

        Good thing for them you weren’t living back then. The fight was for states’ rights by the way.

        • ExiledV2

          Oh yes, tons of states’ rights. Never mind that the CSA Constitution forbid secession, mandated slavery, and required all state governments to be obedient to the CSA central government or face reprisals. Never mind that Jefferson Davis’ own private writings admits that states’ rights had nothing to do with it.

          I’m sure you’ll excuse me for going with original documentation from the source rather than going with what Lost Causers want to believe.

          • binky354

            I guess you skipped History 101.

          • ExiledV2

            No, I didn’t. I’ll be blunt: The whole reasoning that the Confederates seceded for states’ rights is a lie. A complete, absolute lie. How do we know it’s a lie? From the statements and writings of the Confederate government and the secessionists themselves. Jefferson Davis. Alexander Stephens. The state governments of the Confederacy.

            Hell, look at my own state. Georgia Declaration of Causes of Secession, January 29, 1861. Reasons for secession given?
            1) Slavery.
            2) Federal policy of favoring Northern over Southern economic interests.

            States’ rights? Never mentioned. Never considered. I quote one of own statesman, Henry Lewis Benning, in his speech to the Virginia Convention: “What was the reason that induced Georgia to take the step of secession? This reason may be summed up in one single proposition. It was a conviction, a deep conviction on the part of Georgia, that a separation from the North-was the only thing that could prevent the abolition of her slavery. This conviction, sir, was the main cause…If things are allowed to go on as they are, it is certain that slavery is to be abolished except in Georgia and the other cotton States, and I doubt, ultimately in these States also. By the time the North shall have attained the power, the black race will be in a large majority, and then we will have black governors, black legislatures, black juries, black everything. The majority according to the Northern idea, which will then be the all-pervading, all powerful one, have the right to control. It will be in keeping particularly with the principles of the abolitionists that the majority, no matter of what, shall rule. Is it to be supposed that the white race will stand that? It is not a supposable case. Although not half so numerous, we may readily assume that war will break out everywhere like hidden fire from the earth, and it is probable that the white race, being superior in every respect, may push the other back. They will then call upon the authorities at Washington, to aid them in putting down servile insurrection, and they will send a standing armv down upon us, and the volunteers and Wide-Awakes will come in thousands, and we will be overpowered and our men will be compelled to wander like vagabonds all over the earth; and as for our women, the horrors of their state we cannot contemplate in imagination. That is the fate which Abolition will bring upon the white race. But that is not all of the Abolition war. We will be completely exterminated, and the land will be left in the possession of the blacks, and then it will go back into a wilderness and become another Africa or St. Domingo. The North will then say that the Lord made this earth for his Saints and not for Heathens, and we are his Saints, and the Yankees will come down and drive out the negro.” full speech here

      • Nunya Business

        Vidkun Quisling?! For historical accuracy, readers might want to see “The
        Slaying of a Viking: The Epic of Vidkun Quisling” available from the
        Archive here: http://bit.ly/2pOxhQn

        • ExiledV2

          Yes, Vidkun Quisling. Founder of the Nasjonal Samling Party. Attempted a coup against the proper Norwegian government in 1940, which failed. Violated his military oath of loyalty to the Norwegian government. Head of the Quisling Regime from 1942, an organization similar to the Vichy Regime in France. Aside from murder and embezzlement convictions, executed for high treason against the Norwegian state.

          I have no patience for traitors who forswear their oaths.

  • Whaler31

    This reeks of a custom-made fake news setup for the lame-stream media.

    It reminds me of the Russian flags the libtards handed out at that Trump event last year (they said Trump on them but were the Russian colors)

    Fortunately, someone caught that before it got out of hand. Now you gonna tell me all these folks brought perfect little torches with them? I think not.

    • ExiledV2

      Now you gonna tell me all these folks brought perfect little torches with them? I think not.

      They used store-bought tiki torches. No, I am not kidding. Look at the close-up pictures.

  • Typical

    I’m for getting rid of the statues, but mostly because I’m against any memorial glorifying wars. It’s kind of deifying in my opinion, people who just killed a lot of other people. We shouldn’t glorify people who fought war, war should be seen as a horror that is to be avoided, no matter how good someone was at it.

    • plasmacutter

      Memorials are to remember wars, not glorify them.
      1 in 5 fighting-aged american men died in the civil war.
      If we don’t remember it, and learn from it, we risk another.

      • Typical

        Memorials of a person are to glorify that person. The WW2 or vietnam memorial are on a different plane than a statue of a general.

        • plasmacutter

          Armies are forged, and remembered, by the generals who led them. Figures like George S Patton end up in history books with an “and his men” underneath, as they performed as a collective unit with the general as its brain. That “statue of a general” represents his men, everyone who has ever served under him.

          • Typical

            Keep telling yourself that. I believe it turns them into quasi superheroes on a psychological level. Really, what statues or other glory fetishes need made of war? A memorial honors those who died in the conflict and is appropriate. A statue of a guy that kicked a lot of ass is nothing more than dick waving jingoism. NO american currently memorialized who died later than 1865 did shit to protect their country, they fought to further an empire and make money for some one else.

  • plasmacutter

    This is the second time in 8 months Spencer’s public actions have given a black eye to substantive resistance to marxist efforts to destroy our nation and her history.

    At this point it’s impossible to deny he is controlled opposition: a plant meant to discredit the sane.

  • J Russell

    It’s not just about Confederate memorials. It’s about pushback against White genocide, and the entire “anti-racist” (anti-white) movement.