Stan Lee Tells SJWs to Make Their Own Characters, They Cry in Response

Stan Lee Tells SJWs to Make Their Own Characters, They Cry in Response

A couple days back, Stan Lee, the legendary creator of Spider-Man, Thor, Iron Man, The X-Men, etc, etc, came out and said that he thinks SJWs who have tried to inject their ideology onto established heroes should go and create their own characters instead of co-opting old ones. Lee mentions that he thinks there is a place for gay superheroes, but that they should be fresh creations. Nothing is gained by shoehorning stuff in and hurting the integrity of established entities. If this sounds familiar, it’s because it’s a variation of the argument we’ve been having about gaming for almost a year now. Instead of gender/racial quotas and forcing creators to inject things in the story that might not be a part of their vision, why not create new stuff? 

The reason for that is, they know that altering well-known characters gets them the press they’re looking for. This is all about media attention for their agenda. If you create some new IP, the media at-large isn’t going to care. Sure, the comic book press will cover it. But Time Magazine isn’t going to give a shit. BUT, if you turn Thor into a woman, or make Spider-Man black, or have Superman suddenly be revealed to be undergoing a Caitlyn Jenner-like transformation…then you will get the press hacks talking. It doesn’t matter if it ends up failing commercially, because most mainstream people won’t even know that. They’ll just remember the crazy story they read.

Here’s some excerpts from Stan Lee’s comments. The guy is 92, and beyond giving a fuck what SJWs might think, I would imagine. Keep in mind, the line of questioning is in response to leaked documents that show Sony and Marvel have an agreement in place to keep Spider-Man straight in all film adaptations that they co-produce:

“I wouldn’t mind, if Peter Parker had originally been black, a Latino, an Indian or anything else, that he stay that way,” he said. “But we originally made him white. I don’t see any reason to change that.”

Lee is also in agreement with the requirement that Parker’s sexuality should remain as originally written, but is open to the idea of other homosexual comic book characters.

“I think the world has a place for gay superheroes, certainly,” he said. “But again, I don’t see any reason to change the sexual proclivities of a character once they’ve already been established. I have no problem with creating new, homosexual superheroes.”

Lee was also keen to point out that his remarks had nothing to do with bigotry, but rather with staying true to his work.

“It has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti-black, or anti-Latino, or anything like that,” he said. “Latino characters should stay Latino. The Black Panther should certainly not be Swiss. I just see no reason to change that which has already been established when it’s so easy to add new characters. I say create new characters the way you want to. Hell, I’ll do it myself.”

What a breath of fresh air! I can guarantee you that he’s not the only prominent comic creator who thinks this way, but you don’t hear too many pronouncements like this anymore. The SJWs have people living in fear of criticizing their narrative. Twitter campaigns, smears against your character, attacks on your past work…those are only a few of the things you can expect if you go against their agenda.

Speaking of the rad fems, they weren’t too happy with the recent turn of events:

https://twitter.com/CobyMayhew/status/613689324932956160

From Wired:

When Marvel and Sony announced Spider-Man’s inclusion in the Marvel Cinematic Universe earlier this year, fans got excited that we could see a fresh take on the character, rather than just another fresh-faced white dude. (No offense to fresh-faced white dudes.) In particular, the studio had a chance to shift gears and make the new cinematic Spider-Man not Peter Parker, but Miles Morales—the half-black, half-Latino teenager who wears the Spidey suit in the Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man. The prospect of that was virtually nil (though Morales is taking over as the web-slinger in the comics), but there was still a shot that Peter Parker could be re-imagined…

Those directors have all done good work in the MCU, and there’s no reason to believe Watts won’t as well, but if you were expecting this new Spider-Man flick to be directed by a big-name director (or a woman, or a non-white person), that’s not going to happen this time around.

Keep crying, you lames. I can see why you would be pissed, though. You saw this is a prime opportunity to inject your politics into a beloved franchise. The cake was already baked before these comments, but I’m still glad to see a legend like Stan Lee come out and defend the decision to stay true to the Spider-Man character. Not to mention, he did it with humor and grace. Here’s to hoping we see a lot more of this in the future, from all creative sectors.

Ethan Ralph

Founder, Owner, & Editor-in-Chief of TheRalphRetort.com. Political fiend, gamer, & anti-bullshit.

  • Andulvar

    Actually SJW’s, Miles Morales needs Peter Parker to exist in the first place. Also, he changed his costume. One thing about Miles is that he always thought he wouldn’t be as good as Peter was. SJW’s would know this if they actually read a god damn fucking comic. He is also not taking over, he’s getting his own comic in main continuity, Peter still has his comic.

    If these idiots want to know about comics, ask me, I used to own literally thousands of comics from 1920’s to modern age. I know about comics and I am always asked questions about characters on review shows online.

    • LongLiveGamerGate

      So what about the female Thor then? Is “Thor” really more of a title carried by the worthy or did they made that bullshit up just so they can force a sjw appropriate character?
      I think I was one of the rare people who actually felt positive about the possibility of a woman Thor spin-off but it was executed so badly that I decided to have nothing to do with it after only seeing excerpts.
      Btw I love your name.

      • Toastrider

        There really wouldn’t have been an issue with femThor if they’d written it worth a damn. After all, the mantle had been carried by Eric Masterson (a mortal), Beta Ray Bill (an alien), and in one What-If story, Rogue from the X-Men!

        But as you say, the execution was so clunky it turned people off. I didn’t mind Miles Morales, and I thought Jaime Reyes (Blue Beetle III) was great. FemThor? Eeeeeh….

        • LongLiveGamerGate

          Weeell to be honest I did saw quite a lot of backlash as soon at it was announced, about how it doesn’t make any sense and guessing in advance that it will be just a bad sjw mary sue. But I can’t really blame anyone who was part of the said backlash considering everything going on.

          • ThatGuy

            It was a horrific SJW mary sue. It was so bad that it didn’t take them 5 comics to have a villain show up whose convo with her was an equally bad and abysmally executed parody of the criticisms the comic had received.

            Of course the real kick is that one of this villain’s main traits throughout previous marvel comics is that he’s the /literal/ cuckold of a much more powerful and vicious super-villainess.

          • Angus66

            Did she not convince the (female) villain to surrender by talking to her?

          • ThatGuy

            Yeah, but even then, said villainess mostly did it because “I pity you as a female superhero, so we super-sisters have to stick together. Girl power. Rawr.” It was even more retarded than the fight earlier in the comic.

          • LongLiveGamerGate

            I agree.

      • ThatGuy

        Honestly, the big issue was that they made this totally unknown woman, with no previous background or origin story, capable of lifting the hammer, and in that moment, taking on both the visage and power of Thor.

        This was a problem for a lot of fans because all of the previous individuals who had been worthy of the hammer retained their individual sense of identity and names. Captain America, Rogue, Billy Ray Bill, Masterson.. none of them suddenly magically became Thor and spoke with an even more old timey middle ages lingo than the actual Thor.

        It was totally a bullshit SJW move. The sad part is it didn’t have to be. We could have had a fresh female character, very much of Icelandic origin, knowledgeable of the gods, and fiercely devoted to virtue, find the hammer after Thor’s latest fall and become the new wielder of the hammer. Hell, they even could have done an awesome play with her name: Mjoll, and given her some nifty title like “Daughter of the Hammer” or whatever.

        But this just goes to show how absolutely abysmal SJWs are at making anything of their own. They all just have epic cases of Penis envy and wish to usurp what was made and claimed by others, rather than fashioning something of their own.

        But that’s pretty standard for progressives, and has been for well over a century.

        • Angus66

          THIS….. so this.

    • Matthew Dolby

      SJW’s reading? That’s sexist thinking they’d do actual research when they have feelings.

  • nrrork

    “or have Superman suddenly be revealed to be undergoing a Caitlyn Jenner-like transformation…”

    Um. . . is that real or did you just make that one up? It’s just that I can no longer take for granted that nothing is too stupid an idea for SJWs.

    (Yes, I could just look it up, but that would deny me the ability to make my smart aleck remark now, wouldn’t it?”)

    • I made it up. It does kinda ring true nowadays, though.

      • Toastrider

        Or maybe he could split into male/female/straight/gay variations. Kind of like Superman Blue/Superman Red, if you huffed paint thinner while writing the story.

    • Mr. Saturn

      Man think about the amount of work that would take. Has Supes ever been kicked in the balls? Talk about literal balls of steel.

  • Lost Question

    “they cry in response” but Ralph when do SJW not cry in response when a non SJW dares anything toward them?

  • mbits

    Stan Lee already lived through one bullshit censorship crusade when comics were the bane of all evils and there was a comics commission for decency. This dude knows censorship and won’t take any shit. Good for him. Fuck the fucking SJW censors that make right wing puritans look almost fucking sane, in comparison.

    • Falconfly

      I love when people like you both make false equivalencies (i.e. like it or not, what you call “sjws” are still far beneath what the right wing did to media) and that adding somehow equals “censorship”. Logic, you do not have.

      • fnd

        Self censorship is worse than imposed censorship IMO.

        • Falconfly

          Define “self-censorship”.

          • vr

            the comic code now STFU

          • Falconfly

            What an illustrative answer. It shows perfectly that not even you believe in that distinction.

          • vr

            please look up before you say anything stupid

          • It’s well beyond late for that at this point.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Easy. Self-censorship in the context with which we are talking is a pseudo-self-chosen censorship to satisfy radical ideologues – Essentially people not daring to speak up against an angry mob of idiot authoritarians who wouldn’t know the value of culture, fiction, or art if it slapped them in the face – they only care if they get to express their own ideas, other ideas be damned. (Kinda like those right-wingers, eh?)

      • B.J.

        “and that adding somehow equals “censorship”. Logic, you do not have.”

        What are SJWs adding? Show me something they’ve created, or are creating, instead of co-opting. In gaming, comics, movies and more, SJWs want to inject their politics and agenda into established works, instead of creating fresh new stories.

        • Falconfly

          Considering you consider people like Gail Simone “sjws”, yeah, there’s a lot that the people you hate have added, actually.

          Also, love how you use “agenda” and “politics” without a hint of irony. It’s like you want to come across as a moron.

          • wayn3h

            you’re a precious little flower aren’t ya…

          • Falconfly

            I see you fail to address the point.

          • Shane Blackburn

            You have failed from the beginning to do anything but create shoddy strawman arguments and sidestep questions.

            Your responses have literally been ‘Hey look, over there’ and you’ll move the fuck on.

            If you are going to complain about others not answering the question, perhaps you should answer the ones posed to YOU first, when the answer to their’s would be able to answer the one to yours.

            And honestly, on All of this bullshit, you are a shortsighted idiot, like most of the SJWs I’ve talked to before. You are quick as fuck to decry something for being homophobic, or transphobic, or degrade it for being ‘inconsiderate’. You are supporting an ideology that is literally stifling anything and everything that it doesn’t agree with. ‘There can be no diversity’ is the new slogan of SJWs, it has to be homogenized, worthless drivel and shitty fucking narrative crafted to not push the boundaries, of both people and society.

            Meanwhile, you complain about the lack of worthwhile games, comics, art, music, TV and movies.

            Shut the fuck up kid. Grow up and live your life for a few days.

          • Falconfly

            I don’t know what’s more ridiculous, that you complain about evasion while basically going completely off topic, that you actually go out of your way to use stereotypical arguments run down to the ground, or that you genuinely go on the “tolerance for intolerance” fallacy.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “I don’t know what’s more ridiculous”

            I do – It’s called any thought coming from YOUR brain. If that thing is a brain, that is.

          • Shane Blackburn

            And you’ve failed AGAIN. What the fuck are you on about? I’ve not once gone off topic. You are simply blind. Which isn’t hard to understand given your argument’s SJW-siding nature.

            I never once brought up ‘tolerance for intolerance’ so don’t put words in my post that weren’t there. Maybe. Just MAYBE, if you knew how to read you would have gathered that I am far from fucking subtle. I don’t sugar coat or tone down my words, and I sure as fuck won’t make some subversive, barely decipherable bullshit in my post.

            And you are a moron, therefor I’ll call you a moron. The only ‘Stereotypical arguments’ I’ve utilized are ‘SJWs stifle creativity’, because guess what, fuckhead, THEY DO. If you can show me proof to the contrary, I’ll happily acquiesce, But you won’t, and you can’t. I’m not even sure if you are mentally and physically able to answer someone else’ question, given the ungodly amount of fucking sidestepping you do.

          • DrainBamaged

            I really like simone. i campagined for the marriage equality referendum here in Ireland, I’m pro choice and campaigning for that. I’m still gamergate. I care about people telling me what media I can consume and how i should feel about it

          • “I see you fail to address the point.”
            What point!? You haven’t made a single point, you blunt fuck!

            All you did is sling shit at people.

          • B.J.

            So, you sidestep the question, put words in my mouth, and then fling insults. And no one is surprised.

          • William Baker

            hmmm I cant help but notice you have yet to show anything sjws have created.
            Oh and Gail Simone is an SJW.

          • Falconfly

            I fail to see what you’re accomplishing here. I’ve already pointed out that you consider Gail Simone – one of the most influential writers for DC, I might add – a “sjw”, yet you think that there aren’t any examples?

          • Typical

            do you get punched in the face a lot? does your father have to make excuses when talking about you?

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “I fail to see what you’re accomplishing here. I’ve already pointed out that you consider Gail Simone – one of the most influential writers for DC, I might add – a “sjw””

            lol, the irony here is that she’s created one single original series – and it bombed. The point is that no SJWs create original content that anyone likes. You’re just dodging the issue – She’s trying to take existing franchises and inject her own ideology.

            She’s also not one of the most influential writers for DC, dumbass – She couldn’t hack it at Marvel, then couldn’t hack it at DC, and was fired, and then had her job reinstated because of a mob of angry internet SJWs.

          • Falconfly

            I see you’re conveniently ignoring her work on the Secret Six, Wonder Woman, Catwoman and Birds of Prey. Rabid fanboys forced to ignore reality and deem financial successes “failures”; how predictable.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            You’re an idiot. Reading comprehension please: None of those are ORIGINAL WORKS – She’s working with established characters there dumbass. Or did you think she created all of those herself?

          • 3 of 1

            Are you seriously criticizing gail simone, she’s one of the most influential comic writers today, and one of the best. When has any writer outside of indy publishing created original works, you are setting a standard that over 90% of the industry doesn’t meet and they are not all sjw’s. You lost dude, your point fell flat, there are creators out there that you may consider sjw that are doing good work, writing good shit, and their books are selling, sorry that doesn’t fit your narrative.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “she’s one of the most influential comic writers today,”

            She’s also one of the worst comic writers today. Wonder Woman stopping evil plots by spanking the bad guys is a script for a porno, not a superhero comic book.

          • Angus66

            It’s sad that companies won’t – or can’t – stick to their convictions when subjected to all this SJW BULLSHIT

            Standing their ground by not caving in to SJW nutjobs is the only logical stance to take.

            They ruin EVERYTHING they get their hypocritical hands on…

          • Typical

            Oh look, a SJW troll who is only here to be condescending.

          • mrwrestling2

            I never comment here but I’m just going to say your fucking retarded !! Gail was the PROTOTYPE SJW with the entire fridging bullshit started in the 90s that still continues to this day

          • Literally less than minute of Google search and I can see why people think she’s an SJW.

          • Falconfly

            Interestimg, so a polemic title and a legitimate concern are enough to brand a “sjw”.

          • Legitimate concern? Really? Also, that title is little more than inflammatory click bait.

            I feel pretty damn well represented in the media – What she is doing is pure pandering. Honestly, for all the diversity we get, your ilk does nothing but whine about it and/or want more.
            Where’s the people commending CD Projekt Red for Mislav’s character? He was portrayed pretty naturally, in the way that it wouldn’t fuck up the whole story. In fact, it made it a lot more interesting, how the little things brought tragedy upon whole village.
            But no, your kind went and cried bloody murder because you can only sleep with women in this game. And even that wasn’t necessary.

          • Falconfly

            >little more than inflammatory click bait

            My poitn exactly. Appearently being subjected to journalist sensionalism makes you a “sjw” now.

            >I feel pretty damn well represented in media

            Not everyone does, but I suppose empathy is an alien concept to you. Considering how the number of LGBT characters is miniscule in media – even in settings where it should be higher, like in Sparta -, it’s very silly to argue that more work shouldn’t be done there.

            >pandering

            Lol, thank you for killing your credibility.

          • No, I never said that. My concerns lay elsewhere: Representation can only lead you so far, which means you must also write a decent character. As it happens most often than not, those characters turn out to be flat stereotypes. Dorian, the all so famed ‘first gay male romance’ that came out of Bioware was this, exactly… He’s written by people who endorse political correctness above all. Those are what I defy as SJWs, amongst others. This is exact reason why I don’t trust social justice brigade with anything diversity related.

            – – –

            Empathy isn’t alien to me, I’m just not prone to being oversensitive. Now let’s do a tough experiment – A large part of one country is one way. Let’s assume that ‘one way’ is straight and white. Naturally, they would love to see characters such as themselves represented. By that logic minorities being underrepresented is their fault, since there aren’t more of them. Now this, of course, is too simplistic, but it’s the root cause of why we haven’t much diversity.
            Sparta’s not as gay as it was since it should appeal to women as well. Sure, a few women can and do get off on gay stuff, though there are plenty that don’t.

            – – –

            Only in your eyes, I assure you. And honestly, holding credibility in the eyes of demented welfare hipsters isn’t my priority.

        • Angus66

          THIS

          To the SJW mindset, “inclusive” = “replacement”

          That’s their modus operandi – take something pre-existing and popular, and replace a key component with something “SJW-approved”.

          This is 100% EXCLUSIVE and ruins everything they force their way into.

        • garf02

          in gaming the few times they make their niche games, themselves dont even buy it, see the Sunset case. they expect a everyone else most cater to their views

        • Erthwjim

          They think it’s a zero sum game, that in order to have more women, POCs, etc you have to remove the white males from the picture. And that is frankly a load of shit. You can create without destroying, but they don’t realize that, they’d rather succeed on other people’s coattails than come up with their own stuff. And sure there might be some new things they create, but they don’t compare to the creativity that came from the things that were created that they try to co-opt.

      • Charles Lam

        Boo. Your post was bad and you should feel bad.

        • Falconfly

          Reduced to tautology, I see.

          • If you really did see, you would have stopped acting like an arse to everyone quite some time ago.

          • Charles Lam

            Tautology by definition is repetition of the same point. I made 2 different statements. One shouldn’t use words they don’t understand.

      • Typical

        people like you… sweeping generalizations much?

      • Gregg Braddoch

        If you think SJWs are different than right-wing censorship, think again. The only difference is that right-wing censorship had a hell of a lot more support from the general populace back in the day. These people are the same sorts of authoritarians that want to shit on anything they dislike.

        • Andy Jakcsy

          That right-wing censorship is probably the only real reason why SJWs don’t have that support from the general populace. Even the “What about the children?” soccer moms can smell a neo-CCA or Hays Code.

          (Also, the CCA was not government-imposed. It was like the ESRB: created so that the medium would not be taken over by the government like they did to movies with the Hays Code.)

        • Falconfly

          So you admit SJW “censorship” does not have support and you’re basically whining over nothing.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Oh no. I don’t agree with that at all. If we let the insane people go unopposed then we will see politicians start to pander to them, and fuck up everyone’s lives because they think nobody else cares.

            But yeah, keep it up with the strawmen.

      • bryoneill11

        WTF are you talking about? Social Justice Warriros are censoring voices, art, creative freedom, movies, video games, comics, blacklisting, blackballing. They are censoring history, books, internet comments, internet sites. They are censoring dissenting students and professors in Academia, Comedians, scientists, etc. If this trend continues we will live in a worst time that the dark ages. You people lost logic and reasoning a long long time

        • Falconfly

          Not anymore than other editors do. Also, again, you’re whining about adding new spins to a character.

          • bryoneill11

            not anymore than others editors do? Where the fuck have you been all this time??? This is the first time this kind of censorship is taking place in modern times. ANd this is not new spins, this is changing the character we grew up with our whole life. You must be a kid for sure

      • John Doe

        Chilling effect ~= Censorship.

        Checkmate, fuckhead.

      • Get your head out of your arse and start looking for your balls. America needs it’s men back, not neutered poosies.

        • Falconfly

          Said “neutered poosies” evidently threaten you, making your insecure manliness post even more hilarious.

      • Megan

        I’ll just give mbits another upvote. Meanhwhile, in 2 years you have…none. Common sense, you do not have.

        • Falconfly

          So in other words you’re so desperate as to resort to appeal to popularity. Even you knows who the actual winner is.

          • Megan

            I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. In 2 years 56 people, including me, have agreed with him. Looks like no one has agreed with you. This is beyond “popularity”. 56 random people won’t agree that the sky is blue. But they all think you are wrong. I think you know who the actual loser is.

          • Falconfly

            Again, appeal to popularity. I could say the sky is blue, but 56 people being so desperate as to ignore my point claiming the sky is red would not make it so.

            The biggest proof of this is that none of those people, including you, actually addressed my point. You just upvoted and left like cowards. That is the definition of not only losing, but outright losing and being desperate about it.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            HAAAH! You are still here arguing that nobody addressed your point after your point was obliterated by the deafening sound of the media pushing SJW censorship down everyone’s throats while simultaneously flipping out because Hillary lost. The next 7 years are going to be wonderful.

          • Falconfly

            “Obliterated”, eh? Is that why all you have are petty insults? Also, conservatives are guilty of far more censorship incidents, hypocrite.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “Is that why all you have are petty insults?”
            lol. What insults? I just pointed out that given time, your point was invalidated by recent happenings.

            “Also, conservatives are guilty of far more censorship incidents, hypocrite.”

            I’m a hypocrite for thinking your point didn’t age well? Or because I mocked the politics of your chosen political party?

          • Falconfly

            You didn’t point anything out. At most, you just defended shit tautologically, as to be expected.

            Also, “aged well”? Says the sociopath still whining about “les sjws” while right-wingers are much more of a threat, but as to be expected your hypocrisy is deeper than the Marianas Trench.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “your hypocrisy is deeper than the Marianas Trench”

            lol. Says the guy calling people sociopaths and complaining about “right wingers” being more of a threat. So far I haven’t seen mobs of right wingers beating people on the street, while may self-identifying “left-wingers” are running around beating people up. But do go on. It is highly entertaining.

          • Falconfly

            Then you need to research, then. Especially since mobs of right-wingers attacking people has made the news, unless you’re doing it to purpose to showcase your desperation.

            And this isn’t even getting into how rght-wingers are the main players amidst censorship and human rights violations.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            lol. I’d love to see a video. Got any?

          • Falconfly
          • Gregg Braddoch

            lol. Now who is ‘playing stupid’ here?

            I’m asking for video of mobs of right wingers beating people up and you reference an article about two lone wolf incidents and a foreign incident. I’m talking about mobs of radical left wing activists in the USA that are organized and commit repeat offenses. I’m sure you don’t actually have any video of that coming from ‘right wingers’ now do you?

          • Falconfly

            “Two lone wolfs”? Now I know you haven’t read the article.

            I love the lengths conservative sociopaths go to deny their attrocities.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            lol. There was no support network for any of the individuals described in the article. They are not the norm in Christian communities, nor do Christian communities on the whole support or celebrate them. This is why they are considered “lone wolves” – They were not acting in concert with other individuals. If you don’t understand that from reading the article, perhaps you should research what is meant by a “lone wolf”. (And also learn enough to know the correct plural for ‘wolf’)

          • Falconfly

            Again, then why are the christian right either in full support or cover them up? Its explained in both the article and countless other reports of christian terrorism.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            lol. The article says no such thing. The closest it comes to what you are saying is to complain that Trump doesn’t recognize non-muslim terror – And even that is a very flimsy statement because as I already pointed out, there aren’t organized groups training the people the article mentioned – They are crazy individuals who needed serious mental help. In regards to Islamic terror, there are multitudes of training and guides produced by terrorist organizations. Same went for the IRA, and the same goes for commie Antifa.

            Your problem is that you are unable to separate the different groups of people that you disagree with into separate categories – “President Trump” might as well be “Christian right” because to you lack the mental capacity to separate the two.

          • Falconfly

            I love when conservatives bullshit themselves out like this. Ignoring the utterly idiotic false-dichotomy, many supposed “lone wolf” incidents mentioned have been connected to alt-righter groups.

            Is hypocrisy and open ignorance all you got?

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “many supposed ‘lone wolf’ incidents mentioned have been connected to alt-righter groups”

            Then where is your evidence?

            “Is hypocrisy and open ignorance all you got?”

            lol. Says the guy who argues by projecting his own logical flaws on to those he argues against. All you are is hot air, nothing more.

          • Falconfly

            In the article, which for some reason you refuse to read likr the coward you are.

            Empty words from a sociopath guilty of actual projection, but alas, I expect no better from a coward.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Please quote for me the evidence that is ‘in the article’ – Perhaps you meant to post a different article?

          • Falconfly

            The article brings up the incidents, jackass. I love how ignorance is literally all you have left at this point.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            I love how you are pretending that an article listing incidents perpetrated by single individuals is the same thing as video evidence of mobs marching around and beating people up in the street. Or that an article ‘mentioning’ something is actual evidence – most of the links from the article link back to the blog itself, and some even link to wikipedia. But damn, you proved me wrong with evidence. Go you. Wikipedia FTW.

      • GG
        • Falconfly

          Love your lack of an argument. Also helps that you’re a pathetic weaboo, overcompensating for his lack of masculinity with petty homophobia

          • AaronRoss

            Lol, what? And your argument about Gail Simone was already totally destroyed. She is a definite SJW and has only created one comic book which subsequently failed.

            At this point you’re just shitting all over the chess board and strutting around like you won.

          • Falconfly

            Lovely waiting so long for a response.

            Ah yes, blatantly desperate ignorance about her exploits + attack characters totally mean I’m wrong and that you haven’t proven my point [/sarcasm].

          • Kevin Reynart

            You are a dumbass.

          • Falconfly

            Which is why you fail to actually address my point and reason like a human being and hide behind other users like a cowardly dog. Also given that you’re a Trump cultist, you really have no grounds on what to call a “dumbass”

          • Kevin Reynart

            You are a dumbass.

          • Kevin Reynart

            Dumbass.

          • Kevin Reynart

            Dumbass.

  • JackDandy

    Identity politics are the bane of existence

    • Falconfly

      Then stop being a bigot and addin g fuel to the fire.

      • Callan Elliott

        It may come as a a surprise that many of us don’t care about what race, orientation or gender our characters are. We just don’t like when SJWs want to force their horseshit onto other b/c they don’t like it.

        Also simply put, the majority of the Western World is white, therefore whites get the greatest representation. In Kenya, Morocco or China it’s Sub-Saharan African, North African or Asian.

        • Falconfly

          Oh, where do I even begin?

          – If you don’t care why are you throwing a hissy fit over “forcing”? It’s not even hypocrisy, it’s outright self-undermining.

          – A) two wrongs do not make a right, B) that is factually incorrect.

          • Tom

            a SJW just told us that two wrongs don’t make a right.
            We live in pretty interesting times.

          • Falconfly

            Obviously, since “sjw” is a buzzword to dismiss criticism.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            lol, you’ve got balls at least – but who are you to talk about dismissing criticism? That’s pretty much your entire purpose for commenting here: to dismiss criticism of SJWs.

          • Kevin Reynart

            You’ve got a big rep and a little dick.

          • A Real Libertarian

            that is factually incorrect.

            So the majority of the Western World, Kenya, Morocco, and China are not respectively White, Sub-Saharan African, North African, and Asian?

          • Callan Elliott

            We take issue with forcing because it is infringing on the creative freedoms of others.

            Please demonstrate how that is factually incorrect, and how is that two wrongs do not make a right? My primary point was that the majority of a given nation is the most represented of that nation. Let’s take one that is closer to home. Do you think that the majority of viewing in French or German media is American or native?

          • Falconfly

            Doing a new spin on a character is “infringing on the creative freedom of others” now. Especially on a medium of retcons gallore as comics.

            Many a french comic have american protagonists. Just saying, nationality doesn’t necessarily correlate with present protagonist.

          • Callan Elliott

            Except for the fact that the retcons are the decision of the artist and writer.

            Also, I somehow about that those American protags parler Anglais. They are also probably the exception, not the rule. Just as many anime/manga characters are not American, there are a few are.

      • Charles Lam

        We see them trollin’ they hatin’

        • Blight

          What is the point of a down vote if it does nothing?

          • A Real Libertarian

            It moves the comment down when Disqus is organized by “best comment first”.

          • Blight

            You’re amazing, thank you. I never knew that.

          • A Real Libertarian

            No problem.

      • JackDandy

        Fuck off, asswipe.

        • Falconfly

          How eloquent. Nice showing off how fanboys really are 🙂

          • kerton

            Nice bigotry against fanboys there.

          • Falconfly

            Ah, more “tolerance for intolerance” lingo. Never heard that before.

          • kerton

            Well everyone here seems to be tolerating your intolerance so it seems to work.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Yeah, because it’s terrible to tell a troll on the internet to fuck off. We should all just go home and cry instead.

            See that everyone? Problem solved. LOL.

          • Kevin Reynart

            Nice to show how us how big of an idiot you really are.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        “Then stop being a bigot and addin g fuel to the fire.”

        Holy Holograms! You are serious when you say that, aren’t you? God, the irony is physically manifest!

      • Holy shit you’re everywhere…

        First: Stop being such a huge faggot about everything and get a thicker skin.
        Second: I’ve scrolled through comments in hopes of reading anything but your comments, yet you always find something devoid of any intellectual thought to tack on here. How do you manage to breathe and think at the same time is truly an accomplishment for a person of your ilk.

        • Falconfly

          >”get a thicker skin”
          >is literally whining about my presence

          top kek

          • You know, you’re right. Here, drink some of my male tears.

        • Angus66

          “Person” is being VERY generous…..

      • Kevin Reynart

        Why don’t you stop being dickheaded SJW and STFU already?

  • Matthew Dolby

    And this is why Stan Lee is fucking legend. Glad to see there are people with balls still.

  • LongLiveGamerGate

    Who the fuck would want a Black widow movie? That character is boring and the movie version is written so badly I would switch off the tv to stop cringing if only she didn’t have that nice piece of ass.

    • Falconfly

      About as troll bait as it gets, but that’s unfortunate to hear.

      • Callan Elliott

        Ironic coming from you

        • Charles Lam

          Agreed Elliot. Agreed.

      • ThatGuy

        Coming from you, who is literally a troll account made this very day to come play at SJW champion on the Ralphretort for a day? That’s as priceless as it is staggeringly fucking moronic.

        This may come as a shock you, but you’re not the first person to try this stunt (not that it’s impossible that you aren’t the same person the last two accounts were made by), and like the rest, you’re nothing but a brain dead fool who has no idea what they got themselves into here, and your baseless assertions, general cowardice, and absolute moronic behavior are not tolerated here like whatever snake pit you crawled out of.

    • I’m sad to say, but that nice piece of ass is more than enough to get me to go see it lmfao.

    • Pintheshadows

      They’d only complain when the subject of her sterility was brought up. Bunch of fuckers who can never be pleased.

      • Sheba

        “A woman being sterile, it is transphobia!”, “A guy making a virtual male character wear a dress, it is transphobia!”

        ….
        Jesus Christ, how the fuck those people have come to this conclusion is beyond all the logic of a normal guy like me. Former is something that happens and is unfortunate. Latter is just one guy effing around. But no, when its not related to women, its related to the poor transgendered people we gotta feel offended for!

        • Toastrider

          They’re professional outrage mongers. They find something to throw tantrums about, regardless of how rational it is.

  • Falconfly

    Because appeal to authorithy isn’t a logical fallacy now?

    • fnd

      Logic is not the best weapon against the stupid.

      • fnd

        I’m not Falconfly, dude, chill. We shoudn’t care about logical fallacy when SJW’s don’t use any logic.

        • Falconfly

          So you’re basically turning on each other. And you call “sjws” sensitive.

          • Pintheshadows

            It looks like they are just having a reasonable discussion to me, but I suppose you and your ilk are good at seeing issues where none exist.

          • Typical

            Don’t worry, we can all agree that you’re a cunt.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “So you’re basically turning on each other. And you call “sjws” sensitive.”

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The difference is that we as a group will be more forgiving than any of your lame ass SJWS:

            http://theralphretort.com/george-r-r-martin-learns-the-hard-way-sjws-eat-their-own-5018015/

          • Kevin Reynart

            You are a huge cunt with a really tiny cock.

      • Radspakr

        I know, I’m a glutton for punishment.
        I saw bullshit had the power to try and stop it, almost like it was a great responsibility.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Meh, more people using logic is always the best weapon against stupidity.

        But if you want them to go away, most times you just have to mock praise them enough.

    • Radspakr

      Not when it’s the creator of the character, Spiderman is Stan Lees biggest legacy he should have a say in that legacy.

      • fnd

        Creators can make mistakes too tho’. Look at all the game devs pimping their titles with graphics or features that won’t make in the final build. But like i said below, we shoudn’t care about logic when SJW’s don’t use any.

      • Falconfly

        Ultimately the character belongs to Marvel, however, not to him anymore.

        • Pintheshadows

          And Marvel seems to agree with him.

        • Gregg Braddoch

          ultimately, he’s got control over marvel, dumbass.

        • Kevin Reynart

          Stan Lee was the one who made Marvel, Dumbass! He is the founder and creator of Marvel, you fucking moron!

    • Pintheshadows

      Every argument you have is just buzzwords that are strung together in a fragile state. Appeal to authority? At least understand the concept and spelling before you attempt to utilise it in a discussion. Stan Lee created Spider-Man and as the creator he should always have a big voice in the matter. And here he is entirely right. They are casting for Peter Parker. He has a background. He is white and straight. The discussion isn’t anymore complicated than that. The character shouldn’t be changed because a division of rabid outrage mongers has placed an absurd, and frankly insulting, diversity quota on all fictional work.

      These are the grievances and complaints of the truly spoilt and privileged. The kind of people who have never overcome adversity. Most of them are not part of the groups they claim to represent and feel a need to speak for those groups as they are entirely self important.

      • Falconfly

        >complaining about buzzword arguments
        >using actual buzzword arguments like “THEY TOTALLY DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT BWAAAAHHH”

        Again, appeal to authorithy. A creator ultimately has sold their character to the company; if they can’t handle new spins, they shouldn’t have become artists in the first place.

        • Pintheshadows

          It isn’t a new ‘spin’ though is it. It would be a whole new charater. And that is Stan’s point here. As I said, your discussion points are frail at best. Utterly deluded at worst. The premise here is terrifically simple. Stan Lee created a character. That character is Peter Parker. He is white and straight. Changing that means he is no longer Peter Parker. If you want to play around with different traits for a character you create a new one like Miles Morales. Then you can explore being Spider-Man from a new point of view. Green Lantern has done it several times including have a black and then gay character. The whole point of characters is that they do a lot of the storytelling for you and shoehorning in new traits for the sake of it in a pre existing character is idiotic.

          That isn’t how great stories are told.

    • Gregg Braddoch

      Because art is totally a formal intellectual debate. Creators aren’t allowed to make what they want to make it has to be relevant to some socio-political activism for social justice- Oh wait, isn’t that your line?

      • Falconfly

        So basically you admit you aren’t rational people. Nice.

        • Gregg Braddoch

          So basically you are creating a strawman again, because you can’t argue otherwise. Nice.

          • 3 of 1

            so basically you don’t know what strawman means?

          • Gregg Braddoch

            lol, no I will let you claim that distinction for yourself.

        • Kevin Reynart

          The person who liked your retarded comment is a retard like you.

    • Kevin Reynart

      No, it’s because you’re a fucking dumbass who’s always wrong.

  • Jesse Calvert

    We’re getting a Black Panther movie, surely that’ll make some of them happy. But then the rest will get upset because he’s not a transsexual pantherkin or some bullshit.

    • Pintheshadows

      Didn’t you see, they are upset about that as well. They think Marvel is using it as a cheap diversity stunt or some crazy shit. Same with Captain Marvel.

      • Jesse Calvert

        Nope, I didn’t. Jesus Christ. Can we just start ignoring these people? They’re obviously not interested in coming to an amicable solution to any of their issues, they just live for the drama and fights. Reminds me of my ex’s family.

        • Shane Blackburn

          That is the only way to win against them. Let them knock themselves out while bitching and complaining, then step over their body.

          Also, no, they don’t want something ‘new and awesome’ for them, they want something old and awesome and already established to be changed to suit their wants.

          • Angus66

            EXFUCKINZACTLY

            NOBODY would care – or even take notice of – whatever new/original trans-queer/otherkin/pangender character or story whatsoever.

            That isn’t what SJWs want though. They want – no they NEED – a boogeyman to justify their existence. What would they complain about if they didn’t have ‘White cisgendered heterosexual male shitlords” to focus their outrage on?

          • Shane Blackburn

            Nothing. Because We are the Boogeymen. We are the children of the ones who were their ‘bad guys’

      • Dick Gozinia

        Changing Thors gender, Spideys race, or even some character origins isnt a cheap tactic, but making movies based on other already established characters is? Are these people fucking insane?

        • 3 of 1

          Leave Miles out of this shit, do not include Miles Morales in any conversation about forced diversity or SJW shit, he does not fit that bill. Peter Parker died. Miles took his place, that was in the ultimate universe and the way that story was written was great. Miles was not a mary sue, he was not a race swap he was a totally new character with proper backstory and buildup. The way they handled his whole transition should be a model on how to introduce legacy characters the proper way, b/c that’s essentially what he is, a legacy character…you know that thing everybody complains that marvel lacks and dc has…

    • masterninja

      Hilariously where would comicbookmovies be if Blade didn’t make it attractive To get into in 1998…

      • Nohbody

        I’d think that “attractive to get into” started a bit earlier than that, like say 1979 for the first Christopher Reeves Superman movie, or the 1989 Keaton/Burton Batman.

        (Granted, both franchises kinda pissed that away after their respective first sequels… 😛 )

        Don’t get me wrong, Blade wasn’t “nothing”, but it wasn’t so great that it bent spacetime or erased history.

        • masterninja

          I mean for kicking of comicbookmovies as it exists today i always felt blade really started it it went from that to x-men and spider-man etc and ofcourse the nolan batman trilogy all the way leading up to the MCU.

          Its not that i don’t acknowledge the existence of what came before but it just feels like what came before Blade is from a different era.

        • 3 of 1

          Damn, i swear can’t even give a black character the credit you know he deserves you racist bastard. Someone rightfully points out that the blade movies started the current boom of superhero movies and you want to take it back to some white heroes…typical racist white supremacist….ok, I’m just fucking with you, I really wanted to know who would read the whole comment before going off on a rant about how I’m a cuck and a SJW. No, you make perfect sense, I would point to the Batman movies though as the real starting point, those superman movies didn’t do much in the way of moving the market, nobody made viable super hero movies for a few years after they ended. The Batman movies however sprouted the cartoons which led into a whole new interest in the comics. Blade did take it to the next level in terms of boxoffice potential and showing marvel that hey, if one of our b-listers could do this well just imagine if we put the x-men on film…

    • Freeman

      “…surely that’ll make some of them happy.”

      You must be new here.

  • Sevuz

    These social hipsters are really bitching for no reason. This White vs Black or gay rage war is stupid. Sorry most of us is not gay… idiots -_-‘ and most of us don’t give A SHIT if the actor is white or black as long as they are good at acting. THE END

  • AJ Torres

    Cool, it’s just a funny thing to see the SJWs be quite bigoted themselves when it comes to white men. Pretty sickening actually

  • Mr0303

    They don’t call him Stan “The Man” Lee for nothing.

    Both Marvel and DC have gone insane with the SJW narrative. We got a feminazi Thor, Muslim Ms Marvel, gay Iceman, feminist Wonder Woman and mass censorship like Spider Woman’s ass and the Killing Joke tribute (I bet we’ll have some complaining about Arkham Knight soon enough). This is what happens when the SJWs grow roots into a community. Gaming is the last line of free thought. Not a single step back!

    • Oto

      “They don’t call him Stan “The Man” Lee for nothing.”

      Well, he is from an era when men were not afraid of being men and knew what having a backbone is all about, so I’m not surprised one bit a 92 year old is more manly that nearly all youngsters today.

      • Falconfly

        At least you’re honest about being a bigot, frightened of change.

        • Oto

          Take your SJWFascism newspeak elsewhere, kthxbye.

          • Falconfly

            Whats the matter, struck a nerve?

          • Oto

            ahahahahahaha, good one, good one, it was you who started blabbering something about bigotry and honesty, remember?? Was I talking to you then? No, remember?

            Don’t project your stupid and pathetic victim crap into me, and don’t come around here trying to pull your typical SJW emotional bullying schemes, it won’t work.

          • Falconfly

            I love how you basically proved my point. Cheers <3

          • Oto

            oh seriously, you are going to drag your butthurt all over the place just because a superhero wasn’t made gay?? Your fascist newspeak is a failure, every day more and more people see through it, why don’t you go find a hugbox were you can vent your obnoxious whining at leisure.

            PS
            You seems to ignore the definition of the word bigotry so let’s take a look at it:
            ——————————————–
            big·ot·ry
            ˈbiɡətrē/
            noun
            noun: bigotry; plural noun: bigotries

            intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
            ———————————————

            So, really, thanks a lot for being an ignorant of epic proportions, and a bigot against everybody around here.

          • Falconfly

            Oh man, you really did go out of your way to be an imbecile didn’t ya? A) again, tolerance for intolerance is a fallacy for a reason, B) it’s extremely hilarious that you whine about “fascism newspeak” while resorting on buzzwords.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            That’s what you get for stabbing your own spine with a pencil.

        • Typical

          yeah, beat it bitch boy.

        • Gregg Braddoch

          “At least you’re honest about being a bigot”

          lol, the same can’t be said for you. You’ve got yourself convinced that you are some sort of arbiter of justice, who can’t be a bigot.

          • Falconfly

            My, your paraphrasing of something I have not said elevates my spirits. How nice of you.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Except its a direct quote idiot.

        • kerton

          If they’re bigots for not tolerating your opinion, then you *by the definition of the word* are also a bigot. They don’t want the characters they already know changed.

          I don’t think casting someone who isn’t white as Peter Parker is an issue personally, but they do as it isn’t true to the existing character. I don’t agree with that, but I at least understand their logic. Meanwhile you dismiss them out of hand. That is the very definition of bigotry.

          But then again I know social justice types like to redefine the meaning of a word so it doesn’t apply to them, like how racism is prejudice against a person because of their race, but somehow we’ve put “power” into that pot too. That ignores racism that you find in the Indian subcontinent between those of Pakistani and Indian heritage. But then again, when it isn’t an issue centric to the white anglo saxon protestants of Europe and North America, social justice types just don’t care, will ignore the issue entierly and will ride rough shot on another’s culture.

          No matter what you do falconfly, you’re clearly being a bigot.

          • Falconfly

            – Tolerance for intolerance clauses and false-equivalencies. That is all.

            – If you have no issue… then why go out of your way to disgrace yourself?

          • Kevin Reynart

            Retard.

          • Angus66

            You have a different opinion than me!

            OFF WITH YOUR FUCKING HEAD!

            IMPLEMENT DOGPILE IMMEDIATELY!

            COMMENCE SMEAR CAMPAIGN!

            MENTION YOUR NAME RIGHT AFTER THE CHARLESTON SHOOTER!

            FLOOD YOUR EMPLOYER WITH INCESSANT PHONE CALLS DEMANDING YOUR IMMEDIATE TERMINATION!

            Sorry about that. I was temporarily taken over by “SJW FEVER”

            Carry on as you were…..

      • Angus66

        You know who else isn’t much afraid to speak his mind?

        George Takei

        Oh, wait – according to the SJW crowd I’m supposed to hate him because he’s not a cis-gendered heterosexual white male.

        WTF was I thinking????

    • The Muslim Ms. Marvel thing isn’t that bad, at least she didn’t replace an established character. Khamala is exactly what Stan is suggesting, creating a new character instead of changing an old one.

      • Mr0303

        True, but they still used the name power. Perhaps we have another Miles Spider-Man situation. I just found her thought bubbles weird – citing the Quran when going into action felt a little forced. They make a big deal of her being a Muslim, which felt like part of the narrative. In comparison Daredevil has been catholic for quite some time, but that was never the main point of his character.

        • Here’s the thing, is the writer themselves a Muslim? If not that’s probably part of the reason. This kind of writing tends to occur a lot when someone is trying to write from a perspective that is not their own.

          They view themselves as the default and need to constantly remind people that this character is not the default. It happens a lot with gay characters and sometimes women. They don’t know how to just write the character naturally.

          As for the name power. That doesn’t bother me as long as Carol is still around. It didn’t bother me when Bucky became Captain America, in fact it actually bothers me more that they undid that to pander to the movie audiences who aren’t going to buy the comics anyhow. Course now they slapped the mantle on Falcon which unless he’s changed recently makes no sense since they established that the only reason Bucky could wield the shield properly was because of his robotic arm.

          Changing the mantle isn’t in itself a bad thing. The problem with a lot of the SJW ones though is they are poorly done and reek of trying too hard. Female Thor could have been good, I even liked the design. It wouldn’t be the first time someone else held the hammer, but the minute I saw that line from Absorbing Man complaining about Feminists ruining everything? Fuck it, I have no interest in a comic that is going to insult me.

    • Falconfly

      >free thought
      >whines against creativity

      It’s like you make a deliberate effort to be a hypocrite.

      • Mr0303

        Changing existing characters to fit an agenda is one of the least creative things you can possibly do.

        • Nin

          Pretty much, that’s what is expected of fanfiction rather than anything professional.

          No one would really complain if you made a new character or promoted old superheroes like North Star or the Black Panther, but that gets much less press.

        • Random Dude

          Nah, that would be copy-pasting an established character then brand the copy an original char. (do not steel!)

          Although changing old character is a sure-fire way to cause shitstorm, that I’m sure off.

        • Falconfly

          >still using “agenda” unironicly

          But regardless, new spins on characters have been done for decades, and never have been they so overtly called “uncreative” until now. Almost like there’s some double standards here…

          • Mr0303

            No double standards. All character versions are subject to criticism.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “still using “agenda” unironicly”

            You mean like her:
            https://youtu.be/mdV079auhCc?t=4m9s

            I’ll make you a deal – you tell the nutjobs who actually have an agenda to stop having one, and we’ll stop using the term “unironically” (as if this was a bad way to describe what these people have admitted) – And we’ll do it even though you don’t know how to spell the word.

          • Angus66

            Leigh seems to lack any sense of self awareness.

            I especially like her sarcastic (and completely ironic) comment about gamers trying to “ruin her career”, to which the audience laughs.

            Fast-forward to today.

            How’s Leighs career working for her? 😀

            I also find her story about her book deal VERY interesting.

            She basically gets paid $$$ for a book she writes, then purposefully leaks it on the internet to fuck the publisher out of any $$$ they could make from sales.

            She (along with the audience) laughs at the end of the tale.

            THAT is the kind of people we’re dealing with…

      • Ryan Arko

        That faux progressive mindset:

        Hijacking an established character to push fake social justice on because doing the groundwork for an original character is hard. To you, THAT is creativity.

        Meanwhile, all these white straight heroes you so desperately want to piggyback on, THAT is bigotry.

      • Tom

        so… forcing self censorship on authors is creativity? I mean, Forgive me but I can’t fail to notice you skipped over the part where he mentioned the issue of the Killing Joke tribute. (and even if you can rationalize it, there are plethora of other examplles that can’t simply brushed aside)

        What do you think about the ‘Mechanical apartheid fiasco’, can you support the outrage culture there? do you have any rationalization for that?

        Seeing your responses on this article I frankly don’t believe that you’re more than a troll, unable to actually address fully the people that are talking to you, but I’m willing to give you the chance.

        • Falconfly

          Again with the “self censorship”. You do realise A) people have always banned unsavoury covers, and B) it comes from external sources, right?

          • Gregg Braddoch

            You do realize that your point A. is absolute bullshit – It has been established that male and female heroes have been in way worse poses than the killing joke tribute cover, and B. is also bullshit, because art is about pushing boundaries, not pandering to idiots like yourself who worship censorship like they do their 2 inch dick.

          • Falconfly

            – All is relative. People having adamantium ripped from their bones or being torned to pieces will never hit as close to home as rape implications.

            – “Worshipping censorship”. Do you even read what you write?

          • Gregg Braddoch

            “People having adamantium ripped from their bones or being torned to pieces will never hit as close to home as rape implications.”

            You’re again creating a strawman. You’re conflating my statement that other heroes have had worse treatments on covers with “adamantium ripped from their bones” when there is way more than that.

          • Tom

            I’m sorry, your comment is vague and deliberately doesn’t answer not even one of the questions I laid out for you.

            “Again with thé self censorship” soulds rather “again with the things I can’t defend my views against.”.

            A) is a fallacy in the context you’re using it. And shows a distinct lack of good will to actually have a conversation.

            B) doesn’t make any sense in this conversation. If someone bothers to write a paragrah for you, you could had at least writen a full sentence.

          • Falconfly

            A) Fair enough.

            B) I believe it’s fairly straight forward. You claim it’s inner censorship, while presenting the same external factors.

          • Tom

            I’m sorry, perhaps it’s because I’m not a native english speaker, It gets a little bit hard to understand what you’re trying to imply.

            What does mean “presenting the same external factors”?
            Are you implying that we’re doing the same by intimidating the people that want to do female thors and feminist wonder womans?

          • GG

            Dejalo al cosplayer del ‘PC principal’ de South Park, Tom Dio, apuesto a que no sabe limpiarse el culo sólo.

    • kerton

      “feminist Wonder Woman”
      She’s always been feminist. She comes from a place that is exclusively women. Third wavers adore that.

    • Kevin Reynart

      Wait…isn’t Wonder Woman now bisexual in the current DC comic books?

  • Pintheshadows

    They don’t seem to understand that he will playing the character Peter Parker who isn’t black or gay. They get more fucking stupid by the day. Trying to explain that to them is more difficult than explaining nuclear fission to a brick. At least the brick has some use. You could pick it up and throw it at them.

    Good on you Stan, you said exactly what all rational people think.

  • shinningprodigy

    Maybe it’s because the old man is 92 but thank fucking god and bless your soul Stan Lee.
    *rant inbound*
    Hell the man even made one great point that should definitely by rubbed in the faces of politically correct, narrative pushing, “progressive”, moral outrage, (especially SJW) freaks: you wouldn’t make Black Panther white. My god could you think of the outrage if that happened? Every diseased ideal-idiot would come out with claims how the “patriarchy” (which btw sounds like they desperately want to say “the man” but can’t) is oppressing black people. Mind you there is such a thing as white Africans so it wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to take some artistic liberties and interpret a new vision of the great hero of Wakanda. Equality right?

    Nope. That would be offensive (according to these morons) and artistic liberties be damned. Suddenly it isn’t equality anymore but do as I say not as I do. They’ll take to every social media account to express their outrage, some of which will bend over (without lubrication) and take it from SJW types simply for the pleasure of fitting in and getting noticed. (Sidenote: and just how many of these “white knights” have gotten any from the ideal-idiots whom they are riding?)

    Seriously, enough is enough with these narratives. Hopefully more people can take this example and speak out against these bullshit narratives. I’m sure he’s going to catch major flak for this but if this shows just how much backbone he has then by all means keep making cameos old man and I’ll continue watching. I hope he makes it to 100 just so I can continue doing this.

    • A Real Libertarian

      you wouldn’t make Black Panther white. My god could you think of the outrage if that happened?

      I think we should, he should be a redneck from West Virgina, they have been stereotyped and treated as inferior for far too long!

      If we don’t expand our representation of these opressed minorities then little Cletus is going to keep shooting up diners!

  • Pintheshadows

    Is it weird that the Ralph Retort has become a safe space for me?

    I find it ironic that these childish, self absorbed pricks talk about needing them to air their opinions ‘safely’ when all they do is spout their bullshit at every possible opportunity.

    However, I can’t say anything from a dissenting standpoint anywhere but here without being attacked by the oversensity brigade. They come like clockwork waving their incessant brand of bullshit.

    This is the only place where I can do it and know others will be pointing and laughing at the idiots as well.

    Thanks Ralph, if it weren’t for you I would of burst a blood vessel by now.

    • Callan Elliott

      Not really, the concept of a safe space is a good thing, it’s just what they’re used for nowadays.

      We all place we go when we fell the need to take it easy.

      • Charmieos

        Where everybody knows your name 😀

        • Callan Elliott

          Exactly

    • Falconfly

      “BWAAAAAHHHH HOW DARE THESE PEOPLE CALKL ME OUT ON MY HATEFUL VIEWS THEY’RE TOTALLY THE OVERSENTITIVE ONES BAAAAAAWHHHH”

      • Pintheshadows

        Mate, I was trying to be nice to you, but with the best will in the world, you’re a fucking idiot.

        And you can count that as about my only hateful view. It is directed toward you and you only.

      • Typical

        what’s it like having no one respect you?

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Let’s be clear: You’re a bad troll, not even clever.

        back to your cave “I’ve heard enough!”

    • Happy to help provide that safe space lol. I do have to say, the community here is great, and we always have fun with these crazy people and stories. A lot of the time, the issues are serious, but there’s nothing wrong with laughing at the absurdities and having fun with what you’re doing. That’s how I’ve always approached things here.

      • Pintheshadows

        By the way Ralph, I am CandoLalrisian on Twitter. I was talking to you about Keeping Up Appearences and Red Dwarf the other day. Keep up the good work.

    • Tom

      Don’t let this luxury transform you into what you despite most. Keep an open mind, even while insane you should give an opportunity to the other opinions to be heard an analized.

      I frankly despise the idea of safe spaces. They should exist for broken and weakened people, not shown as a sign of inclusivity because these are exactly the opposite.

      Safe spaces are needed exceptions, not something a free thinking society should strive for.

  • Wodka

    The problem with the Spider-Man movies wasn’t that Sony was using Peter Parker, it was that they still hung onto him being a teenager/college student and they still felt the need to do his origin story.

    Here’s what Sony should have done. Forget the third movie ever happened. Make the first movie have better storytelling revolving the symbiote. Show more of Eddie Brock/Venom. As a matter of fact, make Venom look more menacing with that hulking build of his vs. the anorexic one we got in Spider-Man 3. And make Venom deadly: for instance, he kills a cop by having the symbiote wrap around his head and popping the cop’s head.

    Second movie: symbiote finds Brock in prison, Venom escapes. Some of the symbiote is left behind. Enter Cletus Kasady/Carnage. Have 2nd movie revolve around Carnage.

    Third movie ties the trilogy up: Maximum Carnage.

    Maybe not everyone would like to see this, but at least I’ve attempted in moving Peter Parker away from high school/college, and I didn’t even mention anything about his origins.

  • Freeman

    Stan “The Man” Lee proves himself to be a greater superhero then any he has created.

    • zmbrtlsm

      This man is a legend. I guarantee you every time someone hears the words “marvel comics”, people automatically think of him.

  • LegendofKafei

    Why do these stupid SJW’s always have to use “white dude” like it’s the worst thing a person can be? They have added “dude” to the list of words like “feminist,” “problematic,” and “troubling” that automatically make me cringe now.

    If they decide to introduce Miles Morales in the movies eventually, they’ll do it the same way they did in the comics. By actually killing off Peter Parker first, in a movie. Otherwise it would be confusing to people who don’t follow this stuff closely.

    Marvel movies don’t make most of their money off of tumblrites. They make money off of general audiences who have never heard of Miles Morales.

    • Angus66

      What I find EXTREMELY amusing is that a majority of the SJWs complaining about “white dudes” are………………………..wait for it…………………….white dudes

      How humorously ironic!

      • Kevin Reynart

        SJWs are hypocrites!

    • Nohbody

      “Marvel movies don’t make most of their money off of tumblrites.”

      Has ANYONE made significant money (not even “most”) from that crowd? Or even the non-tumblr SJWankers, to be all inclusive. They talk about how they won’t buy X because of [SJW “logic”], but nothing I’ve seen (which admittedly is far from everything, there are only so many hours in the day) suggests that most of them ever bought X in the first place, even when X wasn’t doing something they found offensive.

      • A Real Libertarian

        Niche manufacturers (Male Tears mugs, “This is what a feminist looks like” T-Shirts, etc. etc.) can make most of their money off of SJWs, but any big manufacturer that tries for more then a niche line is doomed.

        • Nohbody

          There is that, I guess. Probably should have been a bit more specific than “ANYONE”. 😛

          • A Real Libertarian

            Yeah, it’s why Reddit is doomed unless they backpedal a lot.

            Because their current plan is like the Gap deciding to only sell “Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!” T-Shirts and calling any of their customers who want regular clothes rapists.

      • LegendofKafei

        They don’t have time to buy things in order to enjoy them. Too busy being outraged.

  • Nicholas Tan

    Stan Lee is old enough to remember to remember the horrors of identity politic, from from institutionalized discrimination to the various “Final Solutions”.

    Obviously he won’t take too kindly to its return 😉

  • zmbrtlsm

    You can tell these fuckers don’t play games or read comics. Miles is from ULTIMATE spiderman. Peter is the main spiderman.

    The reason why they choose peter over emo morales is POPULARITY!
    He was also created in the worst marvel universe of them all: ultimate (sorry ultimate fans)

    BTW Why didn’t these fucktards complain when the amazing spiderman hit theaters?

    FUCK MILES MORALES!!!
    The only spiderman who is awesome enough to match parker is Miguel O’Hara.

    • ThatGuy

      Miguel O’Hara? >.> i’m not a big comic buff myself, but I like the name. Regale me stories of this O’hara spider!

      • zmbrtlsm

        Spiderman 2099 is to spiderman what Batman Beyond is to Batman.
        Pure Awesomeness!!!

  • Silence Dogood

    LOL when Stan Lee puts his foot down, you know you done fucked up. There is no arguing with that man. Word of God in full effect.

    • zmbrtlsm

      Stan “the man” Lee IS marvel. SJW’s can suck it!

  • “Hey Social Justice Dickheads, why don’t you create your own content?”

    Oh right, that requires creativity, hard work, and diligence, something you shitheads clearly lack.

    Social Justice can go fuck itself. Stan Lee is based.

    • zmbrtlsm

      They dint complain about peter in 2012 when the amazing spiderman came around but NOW they have a problem whit a character thats as old as their parents.

      FUCK THESE PC MOTHERFUCKERS!

    • Kevin Reynart

      “Based”?

  • Who in gods name is begging for a Black Widow movie?

    • zmbrtlsm

      No one but feminazis. I’d rather have a scarlet witch movie. I bet they will complain about captain marvel being too sexy when they cast her.

    • Blight

      I don’t know of any genuine fans. I’d rather a she hulk, Miss Marvel, Photon, Spider Girl, Gamora, Meggan, Wasp or Crystal personally. Shit, I’d rather see a Moondragon movie than a Black Widow.

      • Nin

        She-Hulk movie needs to be made. One day…

    • Mighty No. 56008

      Heck, I think I’d rather watch a Hawkeye movie over Black Widow.

    • Michael Conway

      I thought a Black Widow / Hawkeye movie would have been interesting, before Avengers 2. Better than Ant-Man, at the very least.

      • Oh yeah, lets take the two people with NO SUPER POWERS, and give them a super hero movie. Id rather watch Catwoman again.

        • A Real Libertarian

          It could be great.

          The two Avengers with no superpowers, but have killed outside of war, going up against superpowered supervillains, and winning due to a combination of pragmatism (they’re both assassins, so they have no problem just shooting the bad guy), arrogance (the villain has superpowers so he/she thinks themselves untouchable), and smarts (they’re OK with calling in back-up, and their work experience means they’re pretty hard to fool with a trap or a double-agent or something like that).

          But it would require a great writer and director.

          • Sure they can take on Demogorge the God Eater and kick him in the junk. A couple arrows and bullets and boom hes down for the count. We already have Agents of Shield on ABC and it sucks.

          • A Real Libertarian

            1. Demogorge is like Thanos, if he’s the BBEG then it’s going to take the Avengers, S.H.I.E.L.D. and every other superhero Earth can call on to defeat him.

            2. I’m talking about them realizing they can’t call on their super-friends and cutting loose. Hawkeye putting away the bow and picking up the most advanced gun he has access to, Black Widow ordering in a S.H.I.E.L.D. team specifically because their deaths will take long enough for heavier weapons to be put in place. Tactical Nukes used if they can lure the BBEG to a place where the collateral body count won’t be past 4 figures. That sort of thing.

          • 3 of 1

            smh, nobody wants to see a superhero movie with heroes with no powers…Batman anyone..now stfu and sitdown…LOL, “what an idiot…what a marooon”(said in bugs bunny voice)

        • Nohbody

          So… what super powers does Captain America have?

          Yeah, he’s hardly your average schmuck, but the serum doesn’t boost him into true superpower range. Bullets don’t bounce off of him, he can’t shrug off fully powered punches from gods or demigods, and he doesn’t have some extraterrestrial ability that couldn’t theoretically be matched by said average schmuck if they really put effort into it (from almost birth, granted 😛 ).

  • Angus66

    This is EXACTLY the problem with the SJW crowd and my #1 beef with them.

    Stan Lee is 100% on the money here. Make NEW characters the way YOU want to see them.

    VIDEO GAMES SHOULD FLLOW THE EXACT SAME APPROACH.

    The problem is, the SJWs don’t want to (or more likely CAN’T) create new characters and/or ideas – they simply want to erase the existing and replace it (while keeping the all-important/highly-valuable name.)

    THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THEIR APPROACH AND EXPLAINS WHY THEY ARE FACING VIGOROUS OPPOSITION.

    The fact is that 99.99% of the gaming community doesn’t give a fuck if games with LGBT/Non-Binary/otherkin/whatever are made. Such games would be simply added to the existing gaming environment.

    Isn’t that the definition of “inclusive”???? Isn’t that what the SJWs supposedly want???

  • zmbrtlsm

    Wanna know why we want peter instead of miles in a movie? Wanna know why they chose peter over miles?

    Because no one wants to see pieces of shit like these in a movie!

    • Psyghoul

      Ok ok to be fair Miles isn’t as bad as fem Thor.

      • zmbrtlsm

        I know. But this bitch killed the marvel comic universe. No fan or not comic fan would like a character they don’t know since years or even decades cause that slut might be the reason comic books could go through another dry period like in the 90’s.

        That and DC’s terrible New 52 of course

  • Toastrider

    I have but one word.

    “EXCELSIOR!”

  • Kincyr

    the irony, of course, is that anyone wanting to shoehorn in a racechange is essentially advocating for the likes of blackface or whitewashing

  • Cobaltin

    The thing that irritates me the most is the fact that they whine and complain when they don’t have something g their way but the haven’t the VERY FIRST CLUE on how something works. Do you have any idea how long Spider man, Super man, Thor, Wonder Woman, Batman etc have been going? Superman Alone Pre-dates World war II. These characters have such a long and detailed storyline, lines that your Parent’s Parent’s grow up with. Just because now things have gotten more “Politically correct” Does not give you the right to suddenly change someone’s artistic view just because it doesn’t follow your ideology.

    Oh, and yeah by the way, Comics are an artistic view. You don’t see me going in and suddenly erasing your damn drawing you’ve spent close to 90 YEARS making and saying I don’t like it even though I am absolutely NEVER going to buy a comic book in my life and will likely never buy this new one because it doesn’t interest me. God, every single SJW campaign to change media is like the punchline of a Bad joke, nobody laughs and nobody cares. News flash, you’re no less cringeworthy doing this shit now than you were in Grade school.

    • Blight

      That’s a good point. I think I’ll add more to the Mona Lisa by drawing a penis on her bottom half to show that the Trans community must be represented.

      • Cobaltin

        And then never go to the fucking Louvre again because it bores me. God if you’re going to change something, at LEAST show a vague interest in it as well.

    • Oto

      You touch an important subject and the only thing I can say is they have lots of clues alright:

      “The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”


      George Orwell

  • Blight

    Such a strange culture that we live in with the Internet. Nerd culture gained so much traction, but now this weird anti nerd culture has sprung about. These people that hate nerd culture so much that their sole purpose seems to be to make them mad. Not to kill them or make nerd culture cease to exist; they know if that happened everyone would see how hollow their own lives are. Every single thing they do seems to be some form of infection. They claim they’re Nerds themselves, but they don’t seem to like anything about what they claim to like.

    I’ve become convinced that people like this would actually not like Black Panther because it’s something fans actually want. Just so strange.

  • freelancepimp .

    “then you will get the press hacks talking.” I think its a little deeper than that. It’s easier to force your agenda on people by changing established icons than creating new ones. Also we know how bitter and petty these modern day SJW’s seem to be and anything they can do to antagonize the opposition while spreading an agenda is just a plus to them. That’s why they let everyone watch the Legend of Korra and then right at the end of the series gave the fan base a big, “oh by the way she’s gay! HA HA deal with it!” Like it really matters; but the whole point was to try and antagonize the fans.

  • It would have been interesting had they considered using Spider-Gwen instead of Peter Parker, but yeah there is no reason to mess with Peter Parker as an established character. IMO people willing to do so does not bode well for the integrity of the movie in question, I mean look how Daredevil turned out when they cast a black Kingpin.

    • A Real Libertarian

      I mean look how Daredevil turned out when they cast a black Kingpin.

      Michael Clarke Duncan was only part of that film that was great.

      Of course he was an Oscar-nominated actor and he was the only actor they could find who matches Kingpin’s description.

      • Mr Snow

        And then Vincent D’Nofrio just crushed that performance… so… XD

        • Nohbody

          To be fair, even if D’Nofrio isn’t comic Fisk sized, at least they didn’t go with some weedy little squirt who looks like a stiff breeze would knock him over, and he is noticeably bigger than DD.

          (And they didn’t make him some variety of online wanker. WTF?! Doom is not supposed to be some little internet turd. He’s VICTOR Mother Fucking VON DOOM!)

    • Nohbody

      As I understand it, the comic Kingpin was originally going to be black, but they changed their mind out of concern for reinforcing the “black thug” stereotype.

      Mind you, like ARL says, the black Kingpin from that movie was the only good part of it, thanks to who they choose to play the part.

  • Italy GG

    More proof that SJWs don’t want more diversity, they want less whites.
    They are basically a reverse Stormfront, nothing more about it.

  • Sevuz

    I just had to try sorry guys 😛

  • MKFenris

    I said this a few times so I’ll say it again. Stan Lee’s had enough of your shit, SJW’s.

  • Typical

    When Marvel and Sony announced Spider-Man’s inclusion in the Marvel Cinematic Universe earlier this year, fans got excited that we could see a fresh take on the character, rather than just another fresh-faced white dude.

    What fucking fans are they talking about? Every fan I know goes apeshit over retconns and the like

  • Grampy_Bone

    Distinct propagandizing going on here. There most certainly was not a cry from Marvel fans for a gay black spider man. That is solely coming from the non-comic fan feminist SJW press. Miles Morales is roundly hated by fans, so much that Marvel even trolled them on April fools by saying he would be the permanent spidey.

    • Mr Snow

      Whenever I try to explain to people that one of gamergate’s core (ideology, problem, whatever the word for it is…) “issues” (that sounds right) is with people injecting their ideology into a medium that they are neither a part of, have never partaken in, have ever been interested in, and never will be interested in even should said medium kowtow to their inclusionism; the response I get is “well it’s time for gaming to listen to other people.”

      I don’t know if they understand how insane that sounds. Why should people who have nothing and want nothing to do with something dictate how it is produced? With comics, there was a huge hubbub in almost every other decade as different parental and government groups wanted to regulate the content.

      Why did we spend so much time defending video games and “freedom of expression” in the last 20 years? Why do they not see that “you’re okay to express your opinions, as long as they include only my opinions” is batshit insanity?

      No hobby has to be inclusive. People will enjoy what they want, and the medium will cater to it if it wants to survive.

      • Grampy_Bone

        Right exactly.

        If I ran into a christian church and started yelling, “There is no God! Faith is a lie! This is all BS!”; or about how they needed to be “more inclusive” towards other gods like Marduk and Vishnu, I would be kicked out of that church, and rightfully so. What’s more, if I insisted that I was a true christian and all other christians agreed with me, I would not be believed.

        Yet apparently, when a money-grubbing feminist crank slanders and insults the entire gaming community we’re somehow not only *required* to be quiet and listen to her, we also GIVE HER GODDAMN AWARDS FOR IT.

        -Imagine Richard Dawkins being honored by the pope.
        -Imagine Rush Limbaugh being named “Liberal of the Year.”
        -Imagine neo-nazis speaking at an NAACP convention.

        This shit is bananas.

  • Zach Puckett

    Rob Liefeld came out a few months ago calling out this bullshit but sadly he is kind of a laughing stock in the comic book community. I think his art sucks but I have to give him credit for speaking out. But with Stan mother fucking Lee speaking out this should get the fire Comicgate has been needing.

    • Falconfly

      Goes to show that “Comicgate” cares more about appeal to authorithy than the content of their messages, which not even you believe in.

      • Zach Puckett

        Oh shut the hell up. I’ve seen your insane ramblings. Creators have a right to speak out and be allowed to go with their artistic descisons. If a creator what’s to make a white character then fine. Same goes if he wants to make a black character. But forcing creators to basically fill out a balance sheet hurts creativity and story telling. As someone who wants to be a creator I feel I should be able to put in whatever character I feel fits the story and setting without jackasses like you ready to throw a shit fit.

        • Falconfly

          How edgy. Please share with the class a brilliant annecdote of people forcing you to buy something where a character’s incarnation deviated from its source material.

          • Zach Puckett

            It will get to that when I have no good stories to buy when morons like you keep having your way. Lord knows Thor and iceman are the newest casualties. Any way why don’t you step up to the plate and present your project on how creators should have their projects ruined by jackasses like you. From what I’ve seen in the chat you are doing one hell of a magnificent job doing so.

          • Falconfly

            >casualities

            And you people whine about not having “thicker skins”.

          • Zach Puckett

            That’s rich coming from a guy who has done nothing today but go to an article just to shitpost. There is a nice place called outside. While you were being an idiot on the Internet I went to my barn, cleaned it up, ate a nice steak, texted my GF, and I am now typing out a script for my own amusement. You’re persistent I’ll give you that but just imagine what you could do if you put that toward something more productive.

          • ThatGuy

            This idiot is the same sort of joker who has been here twice before to play at SJW champion for a day. The similarities between them, their rhetoric, their one off accounts, their cowardice and general nonsense are staggering, but we are talking about a political cult. The groupthink is strong in this one, as it is in them all.

          • Kevin Reynart

            “Whine”. “Whine”. Whine”. “Whine”. “Whine”. That’s all you ever say. It just goes to show that you are the biggest imbecile in the comments section.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        Falconfly: “Stan Lee didn’t like me ideas on teh spideymanz, he’s a meanie who only cares what his fans think, and not about the authoritarian message of cuteness and peace that I want to shove down people’s throats!”

        • Falconfly

          So basically you want pandering. While being a sociopath. I couldn’t write better undermining if I tried.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            Lol, does your peepee get harder when you think your responses and adhoms are clever?

        • Falconfly

          Pandering accusations + sociopathy. Nice.

          • Gregg Braddoch

            So now you’re a magic psychologist who can diagnose people on the basis of internet comments? LMFAO.

  • Callan Elliott

    Idiot is like a blonde giving a BJ, doesn’t know when to quit

  • Toastrider

    *pulls up Falconfly’s message history*

    Heh. A month or two ago he was waging some kind of slapfest over at NRO. I guess he got his shit pushed in there too.

    • Falconfly

      There you have it folks, admitting that appeal to popularity is more important than truth.

      • Toastrider

        What audience are you playing for, little buzzing fly? Nobody here is impressed by you. You desperately try to excuse the idiocies of ‘social justice’ and identity politics, mostly through the tactic of yelling ‘SQUIRREL’ and then dodging away.

        Does it hurt knowing your whole subculture is doomed to consume itself? A little advice: trying to shame people doesn’t work when they know there’s nothing to be ashamed of, and empty accusations have no weight.

        • Falconfly

          So, again, you’re appealing to popularity over truth. But I like the effort you took to lay down your insecurities about humanity moving forward.

          • Oto

            Humanity moving forward?? Now be careful there, some people might think that you are a fanatic of Hitler’s speeches.

          • Kevin Reynart

            No, he is appealing to truth over bullshit. You appeal to bullshit over truth. GTFO.

  • Zach Puckett

    The guy is also shit posting my comment if anyone wants to jump in. Be my guest.

  • Falconfly

    Aw, you devoted an entire post for me after I pointed out your hypocrisies. You shouldn’t have <3

    • Falconfly

      My, someone has gone out of the way to project their issues. Seriously, you are in need of some self-awareness.

      • Kevin Reynart

        Seriously, YOU are in need to die immediately.

        • Falconfly

          Death threats. Nice to see conservatives know that they are in the wrong.

          • Kevin Reynart

            Says the retard who supports SJWs.

          • Kevin Reynart

            Says the retard who supports and defends SJWs.

          • Falconfly

            I love how you have nothing left besides petty insults.

            Still ignoring actual censorship, still justifying your petty, sex-starvation driven bigotry.

          • Kevin Reynart

            Dumbass SJW

          • Kevin Reynart

            Dumbass SJW dick rider. You’re just one of those hypocrites who pretend not to be bigots, but are actually biased towards white, straight males! You’re just a retarded SJW cocksucker.

          • Falconfly

            Not sure whats sadder, you being desperate enough to make the “anti-racism = anti-white” nonsense (implying white people are inherently evil; nice going there), or the fact that you, an actual bigot calling people slurrs, think you have the high ground.

          • Kevin Reynart

            (In Anakin’s voice from Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith) “YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER”.

          • Kevin Reynart

            You’re just one of those loser fat white straight guys who are hypocrites and pretend to care about social justice for minorities and homosexuals. You’re pathetic and retarded.

          • Kevin Reynart

            Seriously, you are retarded.

          • Kevin Reynart

            You’re one of those hypocritical fat white cunts who pretend you care about social justice, but really just want to be annoying and act retarded.

    • Oto

      More respect towards animals please, they are way above the level of this militant fascist.

  • tz1

    Thorina is an abomination. I have no problem with a female Asgardian hero, or a female submariner, or an “IronWoMan”, if they would be true to the characters.

    A woman can’t be Thor. It would be more credible for Loki to switch, but Hela already would be a good villain. Even the old He-Man cartoon had She-Ra who was a completely different character. You can’t give Thor pigtails and boobs and keep the character.

    Every character, especially fictional characters, if they are to be believable and so you can sympathize and empathize with them has to be consistent with what they are, who they are, and the experiences they had. You can’t relate to a parody or mockery.

    Similarly, on the DC side, Catwoman and WonderWomen can’t be men. It doesn’t work. Rogue, ShadowCat, and Storm wouldn’t work as men, or would be so different as to be different characters. Wolverine and Lady Deathstrike were a well matched and paired battle because she was NOT merely a female Wolverine.

    Back to DC, The Joker and Harley Quinn only work because they are different and represent the darkest aspects of their genders.

    If DC wants to do it, they should do the “Lavender Lantern” with a little lambda symbol in the circle of the lavender bling ring and the magenta color for the glow. The master planet wouldn’t be a bizzaro cube, but … oh, I think you can imagine something.

    But the whole idea is that the character has to have a history and backstory, as does the locale, and even the universe and the physical laws that govern it. You can’t just change just one fundamental thing.

  • Psyghoul

    Smh Idiots. If they paid attention to the last comic con, we are getting a Black Panther movie.

  • Fail Burton

    Swine are gonna swine. I have an idea for a character: Ms. Patreon.

  • Red-Tail

    I would love to see gaming creators do this more often too, never stoop down to benefit the SJW’s bullshit and stay true to what they envisioned when creating their pieces of art/entertainment.

  • Milan Stefanovic

    I have to agree with mister Lee. Seems like today, originality has died. Its not easy to create a new character… but not imposible. Using the name of an old, already existing character and making him someone else, is beyond lazy. Hell, you have the option of using the wholle world, all nationalitys, yet most are still American nationalty, rarely from other places. Even the posibility of using the Marvel comic known galaxy/universe isnt giving them more inspiration. Of my head, the things you can use in ALL super heroes, super strenght, speed, agility, endurance and so on. But the specific abilities can be anything…… Hell, One piece, a manga, has alot of diferent powers, some are similiar to marvel ones, but with alot of twists to their power and strenght. Fantastic four Red Richards has elastic body. Luffy has a gummy elastic body… Similiar powers…. but Luffy would be able to destroy him with how he uses his powers. Even then, you have the option of it being a hero, who has no powers… Take Batman for example….. no powers…. just has alot of money…. and trained to perfection…. That is also posible. Hell, we also have the….. looser nobodies, the wanabe heroes… like Kick Ass. There is ALOT of options and posibilities. Even the fact of gender bending Thor, just to piggy back of the old lore of the God Thor and the story of the Marvel one. Only to have her be someone he knows… and still no explenation HOW she got the powers…. or HOW she got to where she got her powers. Even using the name Thor is preaty much a …. well… basicly disrespecting the original character… and the old mythologies of Thor. WHat im trying to say, dont change a character into something that will only apeal to a small group of people who do nothing, other then complaining, instead of create new things themselves. They will never be happy. They get something, they will want more and see it as a victory and become even more entitled to geting everything everything handed to them.

  • Callan Elliott

    Just a quick lesson for Falconfly.

    If you say dumbshit on the Internet, people will ridicule and call you out on it.

    It is also the place where religions come to die.

  • Nonscpo

    Thank you Stan Lee!

  • bickle2

    So now it’s official

    I’ve been saying exactly this for years. Johnny Stirm cannot be black, Starbuck cannot be a woman, and a Chinese guy cannot be blade. They are what they are, forever unchangeable. Make new shit.

  • The-Noodle-Almighty

    As punishment for the blatant, ongoing whitewashing of his own iconic characters, all future Stan Lee film cameos will be performed by an African American, wheel-chair bound, lesbian dwarf.

  • Erthwjim

    Caitlyn Jenner-like transformation

    This is the interesting thing to me, you hear about the M2F transformations in the media quite a bit, the Caitlyn Jenners of the world. But how often do you hear about the F2M transformations? They probably happen, but you never hear about them in the media. Is it because becoming a man makes them into the patriarchy and therefore bad. I’d say the F2M transformations are more courageous than the Caitlyn Jenners because of the fact that you don’t hear about them, but I have yet to hear the media even touch them. It’s all news and SJW favoritism.

  • TriggerSampson

    Stan it’s condescending for you to think you should decide what to do with a character you made up. We love Spiderman we just want him to be gay. And he’s best friends with My new character Kranaerys she is a katana expert and he has a crush on her cuz she transcends his gayness.

  • Andrew_M_Swallow

    Has anyone asked Stan Lee to invent some ‘diverse’ characters? With the collapse in comic sales there is probably room in the market for some new comics. Ones where the good guys are good and the bad guys are super evil.

  • Nezumi

    I missed this one, it seems. 🙁 Still, Stan is my freakin’ hero now!:D

  • cardboardhotbox

    I agree 10000% I have no objections at all to diversity in comic movies, but i don’t feel that changing an existing character to be black or female or trans is the right way to go about it. I realize that by changing these loved characters you intend to use their existing popularity to make fans cross the ‘gap’ to acception easier ( in theory anyway ). But you forget that these characters ARE loved because of who they are, and changing that throws all that out of the window. Instead they should make an awesome NEW superhero who DOES have that in their character, this way they can avoid ‘shoehorning’ them into existing franchises. Once again i have nothing against inclusivity, but just taking over an existing character to advance your gender/ race politics is unacceptable to me, this is entertainment, not politics. Brilliantly stated by Stan lee, vocalizing my own opinions on the subject. ‘Make yer own’

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  • Johan Ousager

    hes black now =/= re-imagining.
    I’m fine with changing a characters race or gender or whatever, but if that is all you are doing you aren’t re-imagining shit. That’s just superficial traits.

  • The war is not over. SJWs are still ruining media. Why these entertainment companies are appealing to 3% of the population is beyond me. Don’t even get me started on Feminazis, either!

    • Falconfly

      Such paranoia to justify bigotry. How sad.

  • fap lord

    Seriously Marvel is going to have to choose between loyal fans and leave political correctness bulls***t out of our beloved comics. We’ve already lost THOR and IRON(WO?)MAN to this madness. the original ironman story talks about actual problems and how Tony over came real barriers and odds stacked against him while wong chu had captured him. Now read the new story line for riri (iron girl) she has been studying at MIT and SHE WANTS people to discriminate against her!!! She made her suit out of feeling for vengeance when one of her teachers told her she could not be tony stark. Not real signs of a super hero. Dont get me started on thor.

    P.S.
    Will these female replacements go on crime fighting missions on their periods?

    • Falconfly

      “Loyal fans” that never composed much of their buyer demographics. But please, keep on ignoring how women and minorities are and always were a massive part of comic consumer demographics.