I decided to sit here and live-tweet the Democratic Debate (#DemDebate) tonight, because I’m a glutton for punishment. I’m not even criticizing the party itself, it just that their debates have been sooooo incredibly boring. Tonight hasn’t been much different, but I’m trying to tough it out. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton moved on from the email situation quickly after Bernie apologized. Since then, fireworks have been lacking. Martin O’Malley, the distant third-place candidate, has thrown some blows, including one about the old age of his rivals. But everyone knows he has zero chance and so that takes a little of the sting out of those barbs. The other two have mostly ignored his bait for the entire evening, with the exception of Bernie getting kinda pissed at thim for allegedly lying about his gun control record early on. Also, they’ve all been focusing pretty heavily on Donald Trump. They haven’t mentioned any other Republican candidate so far.

I’ll come back later and add some more written analysis at the. Before we get to that, here’s some tweets from myself and various other people.

(I had to go to a piracy site in order to watch a decent stream. Pathetic, ABC.)

https://twitter.com/LaughReader/status/678390749591941121

https://twitter.com/ChristiJunior/status/678391961355755520

https://twitter.com/8bitsofsound/status/678395112204984320

https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/678403731138867200

https://twitter.com/Nero/status/678415764651642880

https://twitter.com/EscapeVelo/status/678416987421171712

https://twitter.com/POLITICOvideo/status/678417926664429569

https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/678418459454078976

https://twitter.com/MargaretsBelly/status/678420254800891905

https://twitter.com/mylittlepwnies3/status/678423622030073857

22 comments
  1. Quote of the night. Will Wall Street love Bernie Sanders?

    “No, I don’t think they will.”

    You can’t say that about Trump. That should give you all pause. He’s literally a billionaire.

    He also touched on reasonable plans for radically altering health care, college, huge boosts to job numbers available in this country, and reasonable plans for foreign policy. He’s not interested in discussing stupid emails because if you actually talk about the plans, he’s so far ahead.

      1. Yeah, and people here question why I’m a Sanders supporter.

        The man’s the best we’ve got running at this time. Seriously.

        If Trump the Chump gets elected, I predict nuclear war wiping out humanity before he actually gets sworn in. That WILL be the high point of his presidency.

        1. If you think things would be that bad under Trump, I can only imagine how bad it’d be under Hillary. Personally, I’m somewhat wary of Trump myself, but he’s still probably the best alternative if Hillary ends up getting the Dem nomination…. hell, I’d vote for any Republican over her, even another fucking Bush.

        2. You make that sound like it’s a bad thing. If we voted in any of these other fucking jokers to be President, they’d run us into the dirt very very slowly. At least with Trump, he’d accelerate our descent to the point where we could finally rebuild.

          1. Yes. Yes it is. Because you honestly think these people give a fuck about you. No matter what Sanders says, you will still have to foot the bill because Congress is bought and paid for by rich people.

            Kill the system, fix the system, can’t do that with any other mainstream politician. Now shut up and get back to building your fucking bomb shelter, dickbag.

      1. He’s never been shy about saying very directly that he’s raising taxes on the rich, and heavily raising taxes on wall street trading, which has always been massively under-taxed. His whole plan is to redistribute part of the gains that the 1% are getting since currently 90% of all economic gains go to them. Personally, I’m totally okay with that.

        1. “He’s never been shy about saying very directly that he’s raising taxes on the rich”
          Funny thing Trump says that as well, with the bonus that he is not a puppet.

          1. Sanders is not a puppet. He doesn’t have a superPAC. He takes $0 in corporate donations. His average donation size is $30.

        2. He’s never been shy about saying very directly that he’s raising taxes on the rich, and heavily raising taxes on wall street trading, which has always been massively under-taxed.

          You might want to check with the IRS about that: https://www.irs.gov/uac/SOI-Tax-Stats-Individual-Income-Tax-Rates-and-Tax-Shares

          His whole plan is to redistribute part of the gains that the 1% are getting since currently 90% of all economic gains go to them. Personally, I’m totally okay with that.

          Why does that not surprise me? Sanders supporters always struck me as the mean, greedy types, ready to shove their hands into someone else’s pockets to take what they didn’t earn. Of course, I’m also willing to bet ya’ll would be pretty damned pissed if that was someone’s hand being shoved into your pocket.

          The tax on Wall Street alone will raise $800 billion over 10 years and would be enough to cover tuition for everyone in the country.

          lol. You’re pretty damned blind, aren’t you? You honestly think any one of those folks would stay a US citizen if he gets his way? Not only that, but currently the US is $24 trillion in debt. If – and that’s a mighty big if – that scheme did raise $800 billion, who do you think gets first dibs on it? China. The owners of 99.9% of our debt.

          The US is the wealthiest country on the planet and could easily pay for these plans if they tried.

          That hasn’t been true since 1990. It’s not as easy as that old scam artist would have you unthinking types to believe. Medicine is not free. Neither are doctors.

          Every other major country has figured out how to pay for single payer health care with a lot less money. And yet, those from other countries with socialized healthcare with the money to do so, travel to the US for their healthcare. Why do you think that is?

          1. You honestly think Wall Street speculators deserve your misplaced sympathy lecture about greed? The guys that gamble with normal citizens’ bank deposits until they lose, and then bribe the government to use taxpayer money to bail them out? Hell yeah I’ll support a government policy that fixes that. All it even does is tax them at the same rate we pay, instead of a way, way smaller rate. Ever heard of Warren Buffet’s rule, or the talking point that nurses and construction workers pay a higher tax rate than these people? That’s because it’s true. How would I feel if they take the same portion of my money? They currently do take that, and they pay a smaller portion because they bribe the government.

            It’s lopsided to the point that the economy isn’t even functioning correctly. It’s a 70% consumption based economy, in an economy where the middle class is vanishing and no one will have any money to spend on anything.

            “And yet, those from other countries with socialized healthcare with the money to do so, travel to the US for their healthcare. Why do you think that is?”

            King Abdullah may fly in to New York for his surgery, along with any of the other super-rich in the world because some of the best people are here. But that’s entirely irrelevant to 99% of the population that can’t afford to choose anything at that level. It’s a completely hollow talking point. You’re talking about a country where millions of people can’t even go to a primary care doctor, or take a sick day off from work. They don’t care if their surgeon that they can’t afford without bankrupting themselves is slightly less skilled than a surgeon in Sweden who they would never have the resources to fly to and schedule a private pay session with.

            “Medicine is not free. Neither are doctors.”

            Well I’m a nurse actually, and I’m not an unthinking type. No one is saying it’s free. No one thinks the military or the fire department or the police are free either. It’s called a government service. By making the whole thing a non-profit entity that we all can collectively chip into through taxes, you would basically make it medicare for all, and medicare performs far better than private insurance in cost cutting and patient satisfaction. We literally have laws now that prevent you from just ordering the same medication from across the border where it costs 1/100th of the cost in Canada. Where’s your free market now? They currently rig the law to keep the price inflated.

          2. No one thinks the military or the fire department or the police are free either. It’s called a government service.

            That actually depends on where in the US you happen to live. There are cities where you get billed for the police and fire department, just as you would an ambulance.

            You honestly think Wall Street speculators deserve your misplaced sympathy lecture about greed? The guys that gamble with normal citizens’ bank deposits until they lose, and then bribe the government to use taxpayer money to bail them out?

            I think you’ve been watching too many Martin Scorsese, and Michael Douglas movies. Not only that, but the financial crisis of 2007–08 (which is what I believe you’re referring to) was due to the bursting of the U.S. (United States) housing bubble. This caused the values of securities tied to U.S.real estate pricing to plummet, damaging financial institutions globally. Said financial crisis was triggered by a complex interplay of policies that encouraged home ownership, providing easier access to loans for (lending) borrowers, overvaluation of bundled subprime mortgages based on the theory that housing prices would continue to escalate, questionable trading practices on behalf of both buyers and sellers, compensation structures that prioritize short-term deal flow over long-term value creation, and a lack of adequate capital holdings from banks and insurance companies to back the financial commitments they were making.

            Hell yeah I’ll support a government policy that fixes that

            Except it won’t. The lovely socialists – like the guy you’re cheering for, Bernie Sanders – assume a world where no one is able to generate value for themselves. To dumb that down a bit: they think that whatever you have you don’t deserve, and whatever you lack isn’t your own responsibility. Since there’s no legitimate way of generating value, anything you’ve got must have been gotten by taking something away from someone else.

            This is still a relatively recent idea in the U.S. (at least in the mainstream), but it has been around since forever in Latin America. It’s how they blame all their enormous screw-ups on the Americans, on the U.K., on “imperialismo”, on “capitalismo”, on anything but themselves.

            The basic idea is that anyone who is wealthy is an “oligarch” who has “stolen” their wealth from poor people, who are in no way responsible for their own poverty. Someone who owns a yacht and a summer home has stolen those things from the 99 percent.

            But this means that the middle class people, yacht-less but owning a house and a car, have also stolen what they own from people without any cars! Clearly, the guy who doesn’t own a car but can afford an iPhone has stolen that iPhone from those who have no iPhone; and you can work this ladder of bullcrap all the way down to say that a homeless beggar who has shoes is a vampire that parasitically stole away the shoes from someone who has none. You can apply this to people and to countries (of course, all the United States’ success has nothing to do with a rational constitution and a strong sense of national industriousness, it’s because they “stole” their wealth from the third world).

            By making the whole thing a non-profit entity that we all can collectively chip into through taxes, you would basically make it medicare for all, and medicare performs far better than private insurance in cost cutting and patient satisfaction.

            ROFL. That’s the line of someone who clearly hasn’t been on Medicare. I’ve been on it, and it fucking blows. I had to jump through a shit ton of hoops to get my asthma medicine, as well as travel throughout my hometown to see the different doctors due to the one about 1/4 of a mile away being out of network. However, with private healthcare (pre-Obamacare), I had no issues with seeing the doctor near me, or getting my medications.

          3. Yes, I can appreciate how complex the financial crisis was. But a huge element was directly the result of legalized bribery of politicians so that they would advocate for less and less financial regulations. And then that same bribery is used to decrease taxes over and over.

            I’m not advocating for a South American government. Tax rates in the US in the 50s were far higher than anything people could imagine today, and no one thought the US in the 50s was a socialist country. I think most people would argue that they had a stronger work ethic, with even greater entrepreneurial opportunities than today. The tax rate was also higher in the 90s, and we didn’t turn into Venezuela.

            All modern capitalist countries will be on a spectrum somewhere with unfettered capitalism on one end, and overbearing socialism on the other. All governments will have elements of both things. It’s just a matter of deciding how far you go on the spectrum. I’m fine going a bit farther towards the socialist side. And that’s fine about medicare, as I have not been on it. Perhaps I am expecting it to be too perfect, so I get your point. But I think it still would have to be an improvement on the current for-profit system in many ways, if it’s done right.

            If it gets so out of control that people are claiming that any wealth is theft, or whatever iphone analogy you were using, I would be advocating for going back towards the capitalist side. I don’t want to live in Maoist China. I still like competition, and rewarding success. But you can absolutely still do that without having wealth be so concentrated that these people literally own the government, bribe our politicians to change the law and concentrate their power even more, and then rig everything to benefit themselves. That’s not even democracy. I’m not anti-capitalist. Capitalism and socialism will always exist together on a spectrum, and they’re both valuable and necessary things.

      2. Funny, no one ever asks Trump how he’s going to pay for a border wall, or screening Muslims out of the country (especially when everyone already complains about TSA screenings), or any of the other billion things he’s promising to “Make America Great Again (TM)”.Hell, you never hear anyone ask a Republican how they’re going to pay for any of their own ideas.

        1. You also never hear of a Republican saying shit will be free just because they decree it. Well… except for Reagan, but he was out of touch anyway.

          1. …actually, you do. Well, not “free” exactly, but you see the same Republicans touting these things saying they’re going to cut taxes. Also that they’re the party of small government. Two things that a billion-dollar border wall or large expenditure for TSA Tijuana seems to run counter to.

    1. ” He’s not interested in discussing stupid emails”
      And that’s why Shillary will win, because Sanders is a born loser who only have appeal to SWPL millenials. If he is losing to Shillary ain’t no way he will win to Trump.

  2. If elected, Hillary will outsource the white-house servers. Though I don’t know how you can be a butler, maid, cook, or waiter at a distance.

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